Tony, Thank you for sharing your ideas. I'm afraid I am not able to fully understand. An example would be great. Can you provide a link to the landscape project you mentioned? Respectfully, Alan
On Saturday, November 30, 2019 at 6:57:21 PM UTC-6, TonyM wrote: > > Alan, > > I just thought I would drop a quick note for when you decide to progress > with this. I already have a method I developed in another solution that has > some features you may like. It would make sense to set some standards that > will help users as well as your design. I will do a short brain dump. > > This method was designed building a complex tiddlywiki, however each > innovation made it easier to add more sophisticated features. This could be > used in your tables, in lists, in forms and much more. It also overcomes > limitation on editing the current tiddler. I propose a joint effort with > others. > > - Provide a method for each tiddler to be viewed in read, update and > edit modes (A Global setting) > - Read only > - Update - point and click value changing > - Edit edit the field by multiple means > - Optional additional modes by tiddler/ field macro use > - Allow this setting to be overridden with a local value in each > tiddler > - When referencing a field (or tiddler column) use a macro such as > `<<field fieldname>>` which responds to the mode at display time, using > currentTiddler. > - It does this by looking up a "field definition tiddler" eg > $:/field/fieldname > - This tiddler could contain column titles and more for a given > field to be listed in a table. We could load it with sort and other > tricks > - $:/field/fieldname provides a reference to a fieldtype eg > $:/fieldtype/typename > - The field types are less in number to field definitions > - Field types store transcludable code for each mode read update > and edit. To display the field > > The advantages are > > - There is far less code this way as we abstract fields into reusable > field definitions and reusable field-types > - Whenever the field macro is used you can change the mode and the > table in your case will suddenly become fully editable according to the > methods defined in the field/field-type > - The Field macro can include an override pushing any desired field > into a particular mode, so a table can be read only yet column two cell > content is editable. > - These definitions can be shared in the community saving a lot of > time (See below for a list of field-types I already have) > - I created an add on designer process so one could use `<<field > fieldname>>` click to create field definition, then select or create the > field-type, making design very quick. > > Some field types I have already defined > > My Project was called landscape because it had lots of fields in the > landscape. > > $:/landscape/field-types/caption > $:/landscape/field-types/email-address > $:/landscape/field-types/false-or-true > $:/landscape/field-types/false-true > $:/landscape/field-types/field-type > $:/landscape/field-types/filtered-list > $:/landscape/field-types/filtered-list-linked > $:/landscape/field-types/first-name > $:/landscape/field-types/gender > $:/landscape/field-types/hyperlink > $:/landscape/field-types/list-columns > $:/landscape/field-types/middle-names > $:/landscape/field-types/object-type > $:/landscape/field-types/optional-text > $:/landscape/field-types/person > $:/landscape/field-types/phone-number > $:/landscape/field-types/select-with-field-values-filter > $:/landscape/field-types/select-with-values-filter > $:/landscape/field-types/short-text > $:/landscape/field-types/surname > $:/landscape/field-types/text > $:/landscape/field-types/text-area > $:/landscape/field-types/text-data-existing > $:/landscape/field-types/text-existing > $:/landscape/field-types/text-line > $:/landscape/field-types/text-size-40 > $:/landscape/field-types/title > $:/landscape/field-types/true-or-false > $:/landscape/field-types/true-or-false-show > $:/landscape/field-types/wikitext > $:/landscape/field-types/year > $:/landscape/field-types/yes-or-no > > > Regards > Tony > > On Sunday, December 1, 2019 at 11:13:42 AM UTC+11, Alan Aldrich wrote: >> >> Hi Mohammed, >> Thank you for your kind words and support! I wish I could dedicate more >> time to TiddlyWiki and TiddlyTables. I agree with everything you said and I >> plan on expanding the functionality as well as the documentation. There are >> some features that could be optimized with the introduction of new TW >> filters and Widget enhancements and there are a few new features I would >> like to build in. For example, I would like to add a UI for swapping style >> and column templates and an easy way to toggle between read/edit mode. If >> you have any ideas for the next release please share. I am happy to hear >> others are using my plugin and I would love to see some examples. It might >> give me some ideas for enhancements if I saw how others are using it. Time >> is the limiting factor for me right now, but I hope that will change in the >> coming months. Thanks again for your great feedback. >> Cheers, >> Alan >> >> On Saturday, November 30, 2019 at 2:40:00 PM UTC-6, Mohammad wrote: >>> >>> Hi Alan, >>> >>> I was studying the TiddlyTables in last few days. This is a really great >>> piece of work. >>> >>> It uses the tiddler philosophy and one can learn Tiddlywiki scripting >>> (wikitext language) by studying TiddlyTables. >>> >>> The way TiddlyTables uses to construct rows and columns and format them >>> using template is amazing. >>> The modular approach and the ease of extending it is awesome. It uses >>> transclusion in many ways and produce a very complex dynamic table. >>> >>> Also, the plugin Task Manager which has been developed using >>> TiddlyTables shows how powerful it is. >>> >>> I highly recommend to add more documentation to it and let TiddlyTable >>> acts as la earning resource. Also ask Jeremy to add it to tiddlywiki.com >>> resources (https://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease/#Community). >>> >>> TiddlyTables can be also used for inspection and inline viewing and >>> editing bulk of tiddlers. >>> >>> I used your approach and some of your templates to create macros as a >>> very lite version in Shiraz 2.0.0 plugin called dynamic tables hopefully >>> will be published in a very near future. >>> >>> Note: I would recommend to add your answers to questions raised in forum >>> as documentation to tiddlytables.tiddlyspot.com >>> >>> Best wishes >>> Mohammad >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wednesday, September 18, 2019 at 10:52:20 AM UTC+4:30, Alan Aldrich >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Mohammed, >>>> Absolutely! I will assume you wish to use the class element for styling >>>> purposes and so I will focus on that. There are many options for styling a >>>> table. After you create a new table, click the Edit button and display the >>>> tables options, navigate to the first option under "Style" called >>>> "Template >>>> (Stylesheet)". this page displays a dropdown with choices that correspond >>>> to the stylesheets included in the plugin. The dropdown's value is stored >>>> in the field "tbl-class" and you can manually edit this field with any >>>> value you wish. an empty value will result in the table inheriting >>>> TiddlyWiki's table styling. The easiest way to create a new stylesheet is >>>> to clone $:/plugins/aaldrich/tables/style/standard and give it a new class >>>> name (tbl-class-name). You will then see your new stylesheet as an option >>>> on the dropdown. >>>> >>>> Keep this in mind. the class attribute defined in tbl-class is an >>>> attribute on a div element that acts as a container for the table element. >>>> This can be seen in: $:/plugins/aaldrich/tables/macro. >>>> >>>> Another option is to override parts of the selected stylesheet. In the >>>> Edit menu navigate to "Override (Inline Styles)". Here you can enter css >>>> properties for the table element or the div container that will take >>>> priority over the stylesheet. >>>> >>>> Lastly, there are two more options Under "Style" in the Edit menu. >>>> "Column Groups" and "Advanced Styles". >>>> >>>> - Column groups are useful for applying css properties to >>>> individual columns. Here is some more info on that: >>>> https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTML/Element/colgroup >>>> - Advanced Styles documents a method for applying a style to an >>>> individual row in a table. >>>> >>>> Thank you for your questions and feedback Mohammad. I hope this helps, >>>> Alan >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wednesday, September 18, 2019 at 12:16:05 AM UTC-5, Mohammad wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Thanks Arlen! TiddlyTables is a great contribution! >>>>> >>>>> One question: Is it possible to simply add classes or override the >>>>> default classes for Tables? >>>>> >>>>> --Mohammad >>>>> >>>>> On Wednesday, September 18, 2019 at 8:22:35 AM UTC+4:30, Alan Aldrich >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> All, >>>>>> Thank you for your feedback. I couldn't agree more that the >>>>>> documentation for TiddlyTables needs improvement. I will try my best to >>>>>> do >>>>>> so in future releases. I have tried to integrate some of the >>>>>> documentation >>>>>> into the Edit menu. Advanced Styles, Advanced Features, More Columns and >>>>>> Getting Started all contain helpful information, but more is on the way. >>>>>> In >>>>>> the meantime, I started writing down a few paragraphs to cover a couple >>>>>> of >>>>>> the more advanced topics. I highly recommend reading through it and >>>>>> walking >>>>>> through the example I give. It can be found here: >>>>>> http://tiddlytables.tiddlyspot.com/#Digging%20deeper%20into%20TiddlyTables >>>>>> >>>>>> Another resource is the task manager example plugin (shown in the >>>>>> sidebar) which illustrates most of TiddlyTable's use cases. It consists >>>>>> of >>>>>> three separate tables, one nested inside the other: >>>>>> >>>>>> $:/plugins/aaldrich/task-manager/realm-table >>>>>> $:/plugins/aaldrich/task-manager/project-table >>>>>> $:/plugins/aaldrich/task-manager/task-table >>>>>> >>>>>> To enable the Edit menu for these tables, change the value of the >>>>>> field "tbl-show-edit" to "true" for each. This will enable the "Edit" >>>>>> button, making it easier to see how these tables were built and how they >>>>>> work together. >>>>>> >>>>>> Let me know if this information was helpful and/or if there are any >>>>>> other topics I should focus on in lieu of formal documentation. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>> Alan >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tuesday, September 17, 2019 at 10:49:01 PM UTC-5, Alan Aldrich >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Tony, >>>>>>> I am putting together some info that may clarify some of your >>>>>>> questions and will post that next, but I want to speak to a couple of >>>>>>> your >>>>>>> bullet points: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> - A Table of tables filter `[contains:text[<<table>>]]` I did >>>>>>> not expect that to work give the special meaning of < and > >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I have not played much with the contains operator, but I am also >>>>>>> pleasantly surprised to see that you can put virtually anything in as >>>>>>> its >>>>>>> parameter and it will search for it. not only will it do < and > but >>>>>>> you >>>>>>> can search on just about any symbol except square brackets. This of >>>>>>> course >>>>>>> has nothing to do with my plugin, but with the contains operator. The >>>>>>> filter you mention here is searching all tiddlers "text" fields for >>>>>>> <<table>> which is a fairly safe way to determine if the tiddler is a >>>>>>> table >>>>>>> or not. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> - I am not sure if I can change the template for the title >>>>>>> column for a specific table? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You absolutely can and this is what makes TiddlyTables so powerful. >>>>>>> Basically, the elements of the table are all modular and are controlled >>>>>>> by >>>>>>> templates. I will go into detail about editing templates in my next >>>>>>> post, >>>>>>> but the template that controls the body of the title column >>>>>>> is: $:/plugins/aaldrich/tables/template/body/title. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I note you can place any table in the sidebar with >>>>>>> $:/tags/SideBar >>>>>>> but you need to set the tiddler >>>>>>> eg >>>>>>> <$tiddler tiddler="Has Changed"> >>>>>>> <<table>> >>>>>>> </$tiddler> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Let me explain what is happening here. A TiddlyTable gets its >>>>>>> parameters from the fields that are created when the table is created. >>>>>>> Essentially, a table requires its own tiddler to store these fields. We >>>>>>> can >>>>>>> call them "table tiddlers". Notice when you click the table button a >>>>>>> new >>>>>>> tiddler is created and it contains the default table. If you edit this >>>>>>> tiddler you will see its text is just <<table>> and it has 29 fields >>>>>>> that >>>>>>> serve as its parameters. When you set TiddlerA's text to use the >>>>>>> tiddler >>>>>>> widget like you show here, what you are really asking is for >>>>>>> TiddlyTables >>>>>>> to store these 29 parameters to a Tiddler called "Has Changed" but >>>>>>> render >>>>>>> in TiddlerA. The same effect can be achieved using transclusion, and in >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> case of using "$:/tags/SideBar" the table MUST be transcluded or it >>>>>>> will not find the parameters its looking for. This is a limitation of >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> "non-standard" implementation of macros I am using, and I mention it in >>>>>>> Known Issues/Limitations. My next post will have a link in it that >>>>>>> describes this further. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> These are great questions, keep them coming! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tuesday, September 17, 2019 at 1:44:19 AM UTC-5, TonyM wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> For fun whilst learning more on TiddlyTables >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> - SImply put it is a new way of looking at any filter >>>>>>>> - A Table of tables filter `[contains:text[<<table>>]]` I did >>>>>>>> not expect that to work give the special meaning of < and > >>>>>>>> - Are tables totally self contained? Looks like it, The >>>>>>>> advantage is TiddlyTables plus a bunch of tables to access various >>>>>>>> system >>>>>>>> information would be very helpful >>>>>>>> - I am not sure if I can change the template for the title >>>>>>>> column for a specific table? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I note you can place any table in the sidebar with $:/tags/SideBar >>>>>>>> but you need to set the tiddler >>>>>>>> eg >>>>>>>> <$tiddler tiddler="Has Changed"> >>>>>>>> <<table>> >>>>>>>> </$tiddler> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I will keep exploring this. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I would like to see a one button create table from filter. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Tony >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Tuesday, September 17, 2019 at 3:53:36 PM UTC+10, TonyM wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Alan, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thanks, I am just exploring the possibilities of tiddlytables. >>>>>>>>> Since the minimum one needs is a filter it is a great way to simply >>>>>>>>> list >>>>>>>>> tiddlers of any type. But then a custom table with custom fields can >>>>>>>>> expose >>>>>>>>> other details. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I also appreciate the drop down on the *Query Records* (tbl-filter) >>>>>>>>> - filter syntax >>>>>>>>> Quite a few people have being asking for help for writing filters >>>>>>>>> and you have already done it. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> It would be great in an editor toolbar button as well. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> A simple example is >>>>>>>>> [all[shadows]prefix[$:/info]!prefix[$:/info/browser]] [[$:/info/ >>>>>>>>> browser/name]] >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> and show the text field. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>>> Tony >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, September 17, 2019 at 2:58:04 PM UTC+10, Alan Aldrich >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I have uploaded a new version of TiddlyTables that includes a >>>>>>>>>> confirmation when deleting. Thank you for your excellent comments >>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>> feedback. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> http://tiddlytables.tiddlyspot.com/ >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>>>> Alan >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, September 10, 2019 at 6:17:44 PM UTC-5, Diego Mesa >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Hey Alan, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I see that your plugin uses the ActionDeleteTiddlerWidget: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> https://tiddlywiki.com/#ActionDeleteTiddlerWidget >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> According to the docs: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> There are several differences compared to the WidgetMessage: >>>>>>>>>>>> tm-delete-tiddler >>>>>>>>>>>> <https://tiddlywiki.com/#WidgetMessage%3A%20tm-delete-tiddler>: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> - *The user is not prompted to confirm the deletion* >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> - No automatic updating of the story list >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> - No special handling of draft tiddlers >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I think switching deletion to the tm-delete-tiddler message >>>>>>>>>>> would handle the confirmation. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Best, >>>>>>>>>>> Diego >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, September 10, 2019 at 11:02:47 AM UTC-5, Alan >>>>>>>>>>> Aldrich wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I agree the delete column should have a confirmation. I will >>>>>>>>>>>> try to get that in the next version. Do you know of a simple and >>>>>>>>>>>> standard >>>>>>>>>>>> way to accomplish this? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/f53bb5f4-ae77-4182-afbf-1a401ca0182b%40googlegroups.com.
