As a relatively new user (8 months now) I strongly agree with Mark Kerrigan,
let me put my thoughts here (excuse my bad english):- 1- There are very successful Tools with bad names (https://flask-wtf.readthedocs.io/en/stable/) ,or names that NOT reflect the current functionallty ("WordPress" name was reflecting the "Blogging" part , now it's CMS) 2- All PR is good PR (https://www.skyword.com/contentstandard/can-bad-advertisements-good-brand/). 3- I agree that the name is not reflecting the functionally/capability of the tool (at least the "Wiki" part), BUT changing the name now (love to do that) will NOT help new user much. 4- I recently understand that introducing TW5 to the new user is REALLY hard, as it is very UNIQUE piece of Tool/Platform, and I think finding some ways to do that is the top priority for TW community. 5- We need to do a "TiddlyWiki BRANDING" by provide solutions/example that explane how this "2MB" master piece (most underrated tool) has :- - The Philosophy of "non linear contents" (it is hard, but it works very good with "real life") - the idea of "Smallest information unit" (Tiddlers) - the briliant of adding the "Meta Data" to the Tiddlers (Fields) - The butty of UI cusomization (http://novye-podarki.ru/heeg.html#%D0%9A%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%B0%D0%BB%D0%BE%D0%B3) - The Power of "Filter operation" - WikiText - Plugins - MultiDimension Tool (Data Structure, Data Modeling, Query Language, Messaging, UI , .....) - SPA. - Static Web Site Design/Generator - JavaScript, Html, CSS Playground. - .... - .... P.S. : I fall in love with TW from the 1st sight :), just know that I'm 46Y IT Engineer, and I'm currently migrating all My Data/Information managments and some programming tasks to TiddlyWiki On Tuesday, February 18, 2020 at 3:42:35 AM UTC+2, Mark Kerrigan wrote: > > Hello > > I'm skeptical if switching away from the name TiddlyWiki will really > entice more people to start using TiddlyWiki. It seems more of the issues > are less about the name, but more of the initial technical hurdle to save > changes. TiddlyWiki requires the user to set up some sort of saving > mechanism. Obviously those of us here are all familiar with our chosen > particular method, but the initial user may not always figure out what will > be the most effective method for them, especially if they are using > TiddlyWiki in a constrained corporate environment. > > Just my 2 cents, but it would be a shame to change the name and concept of > tiddlers but still retain the same sort of underlying complexity and not > really create a large increase in the user base. > > Thanks > Mark Kerrigan > > On Monday, February 17, 2020 at 2:02:38 PM UTC-8, TonyM wrote: >> >> Jeremy, >> >> Some carefully considered thoughts follow; >> >> I agree a name change may be necessary despite my contentment with it, >> others seem to read it differently, the recent podcaste that made reference >> to it is a case in point. However we have a clear legacy of plugins and >> editions and solutions out there for which searching tiddlywiki will find >> the results, as a result "tiddlywiki can not be forgotten", perhaps ever. >> >> Thus I think this needs a strategy to accompany a name change. One >> approach is to promote tiddlywiki with a catch phrase that sheds light on >> its function and potentially contains the new name, eventually the new name >> emerges from the catch phrase and becomes the primary name. With the >> community aware of this we have time with updates to get the new name >> embedded in material on the internet. >> >> In a previous discussion I suggested starting with a catch phrase to >> accompany the name wherever possible of the top of my head, "Tiddlywiki a >> website, application, wiki database and a smart document platform". >> Personally I really like the broad word "platform" because it sounds >> complete and diverse whilst also "ready to go" out of the box. >> >> One thing is for sure that tiddlywiki and tiddler are sufficiently rare >> that they have served us well, choosing a new name badly could send us into >> search engine oblivion even if it describes tiddlywiki well. >> >> To find a name, Perhaps the first questions is where do we want people to >> see tiddlywiki? I think Wiki is a strong though incomplete way of >> describing tiddlywiki but wiki can be in the catch phrase, where else do we >> want it to be seen? >> >> Perhaps we can make it's key weakness an advantage, its weakness is its >> diversity of uses, where none should be emphasised over the others, so >> trawling the english language for an uncommon word that reflects this could >> be the source of a name, then we need to look for alternatives in other >> languages. Usually the larger words are common across multiple languages. >> >> Can we use the "TW" and redefine it in some way to Totally(awesome)Wiki >> platform. >> >> I do think perhaps the release of TW6/X would be the time to re-label and >> the tiddler and tiddlywiki must remain in the empty file such as >> "[TotalWiki] the next generation of tiddlywiki". The references discussions >> and prior to this next generation needs to remain searchable and well known. >> >> Regards >> Tony >> >> >> On Sunday, February 16, 2020 at 5:28:06 AM UTC+11, bimlas wrote: >>> >>> A wave started which could make TiddlyWiki more and more famous. *Now* >>> we might need to make it really user-friendly, so that new people can >>> easily get over the initial difficulties and stay with Tiddly. >>> >>> >>> https://hackaday.com/2020/02/14/it-aint-over-til-the-paperwork-is-done-test-driving-tiddlywiki/ >>> >> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/64e85621-12e4-47b5-b1c1-24fdb45e2cf1%40googlegroups.com.
