The way that it helps the newcomer is that it lets them know that the product is OK to use in the first place. IT people often think only in terms of technology, but most other people interface with products via introducers and branding.
The name "TiddlyWiki", unlike other products mentioned, has a name that strongly suggests something diminutive or child-like. This is not something that people want to be associated with. In fact, it would be better to have a pejorative or scatological name then something that suggests "child." You can have bad names and still succeed. But you can not give a product that suggests "toy" and have it widely accepted in the corporate and business world. But I see from the various posts that people don't understand the power of marketing, or perhaps they believe that they are immune from its effects. That is part of the magic of marketing, that people don't even know or recognize that they have been marketed to, and that they are unconsciously making decisions based on aspects of a product that are totally irrelevant. "...the Hitch-Hiker's Guide has already supplanted the great Encyclopaedia > Galactica as the standard > repository of all knowledge and wisdom, for though it has many omissions > and contains much that is > apocryphal, or at least wildly inaccurate, it scores over the older, more > pedestrian work in two > important respects. > > First, it is slightly cheaper; and secondly it has the words DON'T PANIC > inscribed in large friendly letters on its cover." > On Monday, February 17, 2020 at 7:56:50 PM UTC-8, Mohamed Amin wrote: As a relatively new user (8 months now) I strongly agree with Mark > Kerrigan, > > let me put my thoughts here (excuse my bad english):- > > 1- There are very successful Tools with bad names ( > https://flask-wtf.readthedocs.io/en/stable/) ,or names that NOT reflect > the current functionallty ("WordPress" name was reflecting the "Blogging" > part , now it's CMS) > > 2- All PR is good PR ( > https://www.skyword.com/contentstandard/can-bad-advertisements-good-brand/ > ). > > 3- I agree that the name is not reflecting the functionally/capability of > the tool (at least the "Wiki" part), BUT changing the name now (love to do > that) will NOT help new user much. > > 4- I recently understand that introducing TW5 to the new user is REALLY > hard, as it is very UNIQUE piece of Tool/Platform, and I think finding some > ways to do that is the top priority for TW community. > > 5- We need to do a "TiddlyWiki BRANDING" by provide solutions/example that > explane how this "2MB" master piece (most underrated tool) has :- > - The Philosophy of "non linear contents" (it is hard, but it works very > good with "real life") > - the idea of "Smallest information unit" (Tiddlers) > - the briliant of adding the "Meta Data" to the Tiddlers (Fields) > - The butty of UI cusomization ( > http://novye-podarki.ru/heeg.html#%D0%9A%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%B0%D0%BB%D0%BE%D0%B3 > ) > - The Power of "Filter operation" > - WikiText > - Plugins > - MultiDimension Tool (Data Structure, Data Modeling, Query Language, > Messaging, UI , .....) > - SPA. > - Static Web Site Design/Generator > - JavaScript, Html, CSS Playground. > - .... > - .... > > P.S. : I fall in love with TW from the 1st sight :), just know that I'm > 46Y IT Engineer, and I'm currently migrating all My Data/Information > managments and some programming tasks to TiddlyWiki > > > On Tuesday, February 18, 2020 at 3:42:35 AM UTC+2, Mark Kerrigan wrote: >> >> Hello >> >> I'm skeptical if switching away from the name TiddlyWiki will really >> entice more people to start using TiddlyWiki. It seems more of the issues >> are less about the name, but more of the initial technical hurdle to save >> changes. TiddlyWiki requires the user to set up some sort of saving >> mechanism. Obviously those of us here are all familiar with our chosen >> particular method, but the initial user may not always figure out what will >> be the most effective method for them, especially if they are using >> TiddlyWiki in a constrained corporate environment. >> >> Just my 2 cents, but it would be a shame to change the name and concept >> of tiddlers but still retain the same sort of underlying complexity and not >> really create a large increase in the user base. >> >> Thanks >> Mark Kerrigan >> >> On Monday, February 17, 2020 at 2:02:38 PM UTC-8, TonyM wrote: >>> >>> Jeremy, >>> >>> Some carefully considered thoughts follow; >>> >>> I agree a name change may be necessary despite my contentment with it, >>> others seem to read it differently, the recent podcaste that made reference >>> to it is a case in point. However we have a clear legacy of plugins and >>> editions and solutions out there for which searching tiddlywiki will find >>> the results, as a result "tiddlywiki can not be forgotten", perhaps ever. >>> >>> Thus I think this needs a strategy to accompany a name change. One >>> approach is to promote tiddlywiki with a catch phrase that sheds light on >>> its function and potentially contains the new name, eventually the new name >>> emerges from the catch phrase and becomes the primary name. With the >>> community aware of this we have time with updates to get the new name >>> embedded in material on the internet. >>> >>> In a previous discussion I suggested starting with a catch phrase to >>> accompany the name wherever possible of the top of my head, "Tiddlywiki a >>> website, application, wiki database and a smart document platform". >>> Personally I really like the broad word "platform" because it sounds >>> complete and diverse whilst also "ready to go" out of the box. >>> >>> One thing is for sure that tiddlywiki and tiddler are sufficiently rare >>> that they have served us well, choosing a new name badly could send us into >>> search engine oblivion even if it describes tiddlywiki well. >>> >>> To find a name, Perhaps the first questions is where do we want people >>> to see tiddlywiki? I think Wiki is a strong though incomplete way of >>> describing tiddlywiki but wiki can be in the catch phrase, where else do we >>> want it to be seen? >>> >>> Perhaps we can make it's key weakness an advantage, its weakness is its >>> diversity of uses, where none should be emphasised over the others, so >>> trawling the english language for an uncommon word that reflects this could >>> be the source of a name, then we need to look for alternatives in other >>> languages. Usually the larger words are common across multiple languages. >>> >>> Can we use the "TW" and redefine it in some way to Totally(awesome)Wiki >>> platform. >>> >>> I do think perhaps the release of TW6/X would be the time to re-label >>> and the tiddler and tiddlywiki must remain in the empty file such as >>> "[TotalWiki] the next generation of tiddlywiki". The references discussions >>> and prior to this next generation needs to remain searchable and well known. >>> >>> Regards >>> Tony >>> >>> >>> On Sunday, February 16, 2020 at 5:28:06 AM UTC+11, bimlas wrote: >>>> >>>> A wave started which could make TiddlyWiki more and more famous. *Now* >>>> we might need to make it really user-friendly, so that new people can >>>> easily get over the initial difficulties and stay with Tiddly. >>>> >>>> >>>> https://hackaday.com/2020/02/14/it-aint-over-til-the-paperwork-is-done-test-driving-tiddlywiki/ >>>> >>> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/720f9c33-ae79-4463-86f7-84c67d73255d%40googlegroups.com.
