*Hi Tony, Thanks for the kind words and helpful feedback. See some replies
below in bold. *

On Sat, May 2, 2020 at 8:35 PM TonyM <[email protected]> wrote:

> David,
>
> This looks very nice and bravo on the documentation. Its a work of art.
>

*Thanks!*

>
> Can I assume all the conversations about Roam and Tiddlybink are
> incorporated into Stroll so I do not need to work through those extensive
> threads?
>
> Since working through the Tutorial I found references to the differences
> Thanks.
>
>
*Yes, Roam-y wiki was my first experimental attempt. TiddlyBlink was the
"published" version of that experiment. And now Stroll will be the
successor to TiddlyBlink. I will link to Stroll on TiddlyBlink, but will
leave TiddlyBlink available. *

>
> When someone sees something close to perfection the want to take it a
> little further.
> So please use my below suggestions as you wish. Your tutorial is so good
> may I suggest these improvements towards perfection?
>

*I do appreciate all the feedback below! *

>
> Try this code in your [[Using tiddlers]] which would be helpful in any
> wiki
>
> <$list filter="[<currentTiddler>!match[Using tiddlers]]">
> In order to be able to do the other activities below, click this link to
> open this tiddler: [[Using tiddlers]]
> </$list>
>
> <$list filter="[<currentTiddler>match[Using tiddlers]]">
> <h3>Yay! Now you are not in a tab but in the actual 'Using tiddlers'
> tiddler.</h3>
> </$list>
>
>
> *Cool! I have never seen that before. I will use it. Thanks! *

>
>
>    - The Pink eye options did not work until I opened [[David Gifford]]
>    for the first time, or is that because it is the tiddler for which we are
>    reviewing references, Perhaps this needs more clarity.
>
> *That is correct. The home tiddler has no backlinks to it, and the first
tiddler one sees with a reference section when working through the tutorial
is [[David Gifford]]. So if you tried to play with the checkboxes on
tiddlers with no backlinks, you wouldn't see anything. I will double check
the tutorial to make sure it is clear. And maybe put under the checkboxes a
link to a tiddler with backlinks, so it is easier from that tab to open
something that will show the difference.*

>
>    - There is a Way to have a next tab button at the bottom of each tab,
>    perhaps even automated (ask me if you wan this sooner)
>
>
*No, I want new people to work through it naturally. It{s not hard to
follow the initial instruction and click the next tab down after finishing
each tab. I am not sure the very minimal functionality of a next tab would
be worth the extra visual clutter and potential added layer of confusion
for new people.*

>
>    - You could close other tiddlers and other tricks to keep the tute
>    easier to follow.
>
>
*The other tiddlers are closed when opening the link to this experimental
Stroll. There is only one tiddler open, and you only open and close other
ones as you work through the tutorial. So I am not sure what you mean here.*

>
>    - Your new with time date stamp could benefit from some enhancements I
>    developed previously.
>       - Add a tag like journal entry (keep the tiddlywiki standard going
>       perhaps) or use the journal date-field to identify them in future
>       - Eg; create a journal-date field at creation and fill it with the
>       full now date time stamp serial number
>          - Then you need not care what journal title is used as they can
>          always be listed and SORTED with the journal-date field instead
>
>
*Trying to avoid tags as much as possible. But I will think about this.*

>
>    - I have a method I can share to make selecting the second story view
>    easier (basicaly it provides the set of values to any configuration 
> tiddler)
>    - I see your using the horizontal line to make folded tiddlers more
>    visible/or not. Have you considered the fold bar option?
>     (it shows a special line and has a fold icon on the left of the
>    tiddler) I cant find it just now
>
> *The horizontal line is in some of the reference section views, to
visually distinguish them from the tiddler content. It has nothing to do
with folding. I am not seeing that that line persists when folding
tiddlers. Can you attach a screenshot of what you are referring to? Also,
no, I don't want the fold bar, I know what it is but prefer to do it the
way I have it.*

>
>    - When I did this "Lock the left story river by choosing the zoomin
>    story view in this tiddler" I got lost and only my experience with
>    tiddlywiki got me back to the tutorial
>
> *Hmmm...good point. Maybe I need to remove that from the tutorial and add
it to the gear tab. That is more for experienced users, anyway*

>
>    - When I did this "Lock the right story river by replacing the word
>    'classic' with the word 'zoomin' in this tiddler"
>    *$:/_sq/Stories/config/Story2-storyview* it did not contain any value.
>
> *Oops! will fix that!*

>
>    - Perhaps say "If you lock (with Zoomin story view) either of the
>    story rivers..."
>
> *But because of how Saq did the Stories plugin, the two processes are
slightly different, so I think it is important to be as slavishly clear as
possible for each. *

>
>    - An option to disable this would help me get used to Stoll, Also, if
>    you close tidders and only one is left, Stroll will revert back to one
>    column.", perhaps have an emptyMessage Tiddler for each story?
>
> *Thanks, I will consider it. *

>
>    - In Download Stroll Perhaps provide some of the top single save
>    methods like Timimi
>
>
*The problem is that I am genuinely only familiar with one or two of them,
and even the documentation on the one I use, PMario's filebackups, is much
more complicated now than it was when I first installed it. I really hate
the saving problem and avoid it when I can.*

*There has been talk about improving the save documentation on
tiddlywiki.com <http://tiddlywiki.com>. I am kind of counting on that!*

>
>    - https://giffmex.org/stroll/empty.html is not found to download
>
> *Yes, I will do the empty version after the week of feedback.*

In closing
> WOW! good work
> I am soooo impressed.
>

*Thanks again!*

>
> Regards
> Tony
>
>
>
> On Sunday, 3 May 2020 05:19:53 UTC+10, David Gifford wrote:
>>
>> Hi everyone
>>
>> I finally got around to updating Stroll (replacement for my TiddlyBlink).
>> I think it is just about ready. Here is the link:
>>
>> https://giffmex.org/experiments/stroll.experiment.html
>>
>> Play with it until you find its flaws. Be merciless. Make it bleed. Then
>> let me know what needs bandaging or amputating. You have one week.
>>
>> Thanks in advance!
>>
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