Edgaras wrote:
>
> - Arrows are for navigating back and forward, which tiddler you visited 
> the latest (clicking on links). I updated arrows to look less like 
> redo/undo.
>

That indicates your vision is a single tiddler view mode - ? I would 
definitely not like this for default TW because it makes open data much 
more difficult to access.

 

> - Icons and background I need to test. I was not fan of the original 
> icons, but maybe that's bias, I will try them on the new layout.
>

I believe, the icons are custom made by Jeremy. I personally like them but 
a big disadvantage is that one cannot easily find new icons with a similar 
style. The optimal would either be if we had a custom made, very rich set (
ref <https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/issues/3388>) or, more 
easily, just use some rich open source alternative.

 

> - I think we need some general consideration around system tiddlers. I 
> think there could be a way to seperate content and system tiddlers. I've 
> seen some interesting theme, where tiddlers were in the sidebar, I think 
> some system tiddlers could be pinned to the sidebar, so they are always at 
> reach.
>

I'm not sure what you mean here with system tiddlers. System tiddlers are 
(simply!) tiddlers that have the prefix $:/ and this hides them from 
showing up in most lists. In my post to which you reply, I bring up system 
fields, i.e the few "reserved words/names" that are used for data fields in 
the system. 

 

> - Even if TW is for personal use, it does not have to be messy... Many 
> people want to have a distraction free writing and thinking experience. 
> That's the key for me. The "prettiness" come from practicality, hiding 
> things that you don't use too often. It's a balance yet to be found, 
> through iterations we will find way to prioritise more used items and make 
> them more visible.
>

We need to consider both "writing" and "using".... actually, for writing, 
we should perhaps even differentiate between typing text (e.g a markup'ed 
poem) and more complex "WikiTexting" where you need access to tools and you 
need to look up titles for other tiddlers, etc. The former, i.e the typing 
of simple text would benefit from distraction free (I like the OMM interface 
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0rI9Is4z1Y>, old video I know but those 
click sounds and the music... aaaah) - but WikiTexting probably can't be 
quite that.


Again, it helps to be more specific – here I agree with you, sidebar should 
> be more prominent, probably open by the default. I will work on sidebar.
>

One could imagine a toggle up in corner for e.g "distraction free light 
markup", "full WikiTexting with direct tool access", "full on display of 
all features"


- Yes, toolbar needs to be re-introduced, I forgot in this iteration. My 
> take on toolbar is like this:
>           a. It should be possible to hide toolbar by default. (Maybe 
> already is, but I want that on the spot)
>

I like "hover to show" but I know Jeremy is not fond of this because he 
thinks it is problematic on touch screens... yet, it is commonly used on 
touch screens where, if I recall, it instead is "touch to show".

  

>           b. Balloon popup toolbox is super good idea. I would use that a 
> lot when toolbar is hidden (also should be possible to customize on the 
> spot, maybe small link icon that leads to settings.)
>

Yeah, I find that controls should be as close to *here *as possible AND 
also collected in a central place. TW and transclusion is perfect for this; 
dispersed doses of local control for the context AN D a central 
Controlplanel aggregating them all.


Referring back to @Riz point; maybe this discussion should be moved into a 
Github repo (you created one, right @Riz?). The thread is split up here so 
it is difficult to navigate to what is mentioned.

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