TT, What does Opt In mean to you? Surely that is enough to calm you down?
Any resource on the internet, a website, a link and mail out already may use a way to see how many visitors they have. Sure there are multi-site traps fed by advertising add on's the world over, but I am not talking about this. In fact we can already use standard analytics to see the ip address, unique visitors etc... on any tiddlywiki we host on the internet, and it can be done without your knowledge, but you should assume its being done. On top of this I am suggesting a community method to opt into a simple "I have being loaded" analytic. We are designers, we can force Opt in, we can permit user opt out we can do anything. So if we want we should fill a gap, provide a service that meets with our community values. By providing this service we reduce the likely hood of others being developed in a vacuum, without community standards applied. We can also advertise how to conceal your details via secure proxies etc... if you want anonymity. Regards Tony On Thursday, June 18, 2020 at 12:06:34 PM UTC+10, TiddlyTweeter wrote: > > Ciao Tones > > I don't wanna get hysterical or entirely lose the OP here. > > I agree with you that like minded who want to connect should do it in > easiest way. > Just don't put anything in MY architecture that let's you sniff me. > > You see my point? > > In calls for easier co-working there is an implicit assumption. > In fact most of the net is seriously infected with it. > That the "reception" plug socket is open. > I don't want any such socket. > > Your idea of a "vote up" mechanism is an example of the "slippery slope" I > think. > Looks innocent. Bad idea to let anything like that near core. Plugin, of > course is okay. > > But the distinction between voluntarism and hard code is not as sharp as > you might think. > And even thoughts in this direction (information to "the" community) worry > me as they are seductively, dangerously loose. > > Now I sound like a paranoid twat :-) But there is substance in my thoughts > on this. > > Back to the OP. The poster was interested in "types" of people who use TW > and "types" we trying to reach. > Its kinda odd actually. To the First, you & me :-), to the Second no > idea/anyone/don't care. > But right in this spot you may feel differently? > > Best wishes > TT > > > On Thursday, 18 June 2020 03:01:19 UTC+2, TW Tones wrote: >> >> TT, >> >> The point is a wiki should allow Opt-in to provide information to the >> community. >> >> I would not only be happy, but would like such a services to go on my >> Gihub page, the playground and blog wikis I have published. >> >> I expect more people to publish content for public or community view >> would like this as well, >> Its a feature rather than a threat. >> Provide informed consent options for both designer and visitor there >> remains no contention in my view. >> >> Perhaps add the ability for them to vote it up in socials etc... >> >> Regards >> Tony >> >> On Thursday, June 18, 2020 at 10:22:18 AM UTC+10, TiddlyTweeter wrote: >>> >>> Tones >>> >>> As far as I understand it there is total antipathy to any kind of >>> collective tracking for TW built in. I think that is good. >>> >>> One simple thing might be a meta tag announcing "This is a TW" in the >>> header a trawler might recognise. I see no harm in that. So long as you >>> can delete it. >>> >>> I am totally opposed to anything that "polls" or "sniffs" around. >>> >>> TT >>> >>> On Thursday, 18 June 2020 02:07:51 UTC+2, TW Tones wrote: >>>> >>>> TT, OGNSYA >>>> >>>> Re tracking, I have felt for sometime, if the core included an opt in >>>> to tickle a URL somewhere so that we could get an indication of >>>> implementations on the internet and their visitation possibly quite a few >>>> in the community would opt in. If this allowed opt in to a league table of >>>> popular wikis people may be happy to have their wiki rise and become more >>>> visible. >>>> >>>> Then we could start to answer the above questions. >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> TW Tone's aka TonyM >>>> >>>> On Thursday, June 18, 2020 at 9:42:38 AM UTC+10, TiddlyTweeter wrote: >>>>> >>>>> On big numbers. A very useful thing to know. Your questions are Good. >>>>> >>>>> Some time ago I tried pin it down. The issue is that TW release has NO >>>>> tracking on by default. There is no way to collect reliable data directly >>>>> of any kind. >>>>> >>>>> Proxy measures (user groups, common hosting services) are possible but >>>>> will only tell you there are more Japanese users than you might realise, >>>>> that users from German speaking countries are High and that English >>>>> Speaking users are more up north than in the Antipodes. >>>>> >>>>> The more detailed (good) questions you ask are I think for an >>>>> interesting research project. :-) >>>>> >>>>> Best wishes >>>>> TT >>>>> >>>>> On Wednesday, 17 June 2020 18:44:03 UTC+2, OGNSYA wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm curious to know what type of people uses TiddlyWiki currently, >>>>>> and what type of people the project wants to reach? >>>>>> >>>>>> I believe that discussing this might help inform many of the >>>>>> conversations that have been going on, such as the Getting Started page, >>>>>> and the UI/workflow redesign. >>>>>> >>>>>> In case this is not known, here are a few possible guide questions to >>>>>> help estimate: >>>>>> (I included an initial answer in all of them, just as a starting >>>>>> point): >>>>>> >>>>>> - *What type of people uses TW?* >>>>>> (49% coders, 49% casual coders, 2% non-coders?) >>>>>> - *How do they use TW?* (compared to TW's full potential) >>>>>> (50% very basic usage, 30% uses several features/plugins, 15% >>>>>> hack/develop plugins, 5% experts?) >>>>>> - *What proportion of internet users use TW on a frequent basis?* >>>>>> (2-5%?) >>>>>> - *How many internet users are coders? *(in general, regardless >>>>>> of TW) >>>>>> - Non-coders (98.5%?) >>>>>> - Casual coders (0.5%?) >>>>>> - Coders (1%?) >>>>>> >>>>>> This is intentionally very simplified, especially because most of >>>>>> these questions can't be answered objectively. Regardless, knowing the >>>>>> community's perception of them is already very useful. This is meant to >>>>>> be >>>>>> a first draft. Please feel free to correct/suggest changes. (For the >>>>>> guesses, I partly used some data found online. ) >>>>>> >>>>> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/75a97d92-419b-4f55-94cc-96dab6df9feao%40googlegroups.com.
