Victor, Since a bibliography is an index, perhaps it (the wiki) can contain the search part of mohammads "Searchwikis" that make use of an index of each/all wikis making use of bibliographic entries. After a little work on your on your *zettelkasten* Wiki generate an index and drop it on the bibliograqphic wiki, now a search on the bibliographic wiki will also be a search of the *zettelkasten wiki* On the *zettelkasten wiki* create a method to find one or more references to the same bibliographic link.
We can make this almost seamless with more work, but my point is to develop the appropriate practice. Regards Tones On Friday, 6 November 2020 11:00:33 UTC+11, TW Tones wrote: > > Victor, > > Sorry for the confusion, replace my use of the word Glossary With > Bibliography. > > What is a back link?, it shows you where that entry is in use in other > tiddlers. > > Having a separate bibliography html, you create and name bibliographic > entries. In the First wiki you provide a link to the bibliographic entry > using the permalink link / same name. Thus in the first wiki you can link > to/reference that bibliographic entry multiple times. The equivalent of a > back link is a search that can find all links to the same bibliographic > entry (the links to the other wiki) but in searching the first wiki. The > backlinking in the Bibliographic wiki only points to tiddlers linking to > the entry in the bibliographical wiki and are of little use. > > A much underutilised part of tiddlywiki seems to be the development of > "soft" practices or procedures, perhaps supported by software (ie wikitext, > widgets and macros). Commonly called work flow. Remember the most > intelligent part of the whole solution is the human. Teach the human - > yourself to follow some documented practices and you can solve many > problems. I have at least a dozen practices like this, including building > tiddlywiki solutions to build tiddlywiki solutions. It is all quite "meta" > or self referential. > > I hope this explains what I have said a little better. > > Regards > Tones > > On Thursday, 5 November 2020 19:35:55 UTC+11, Victor Dorneanu wrote: >> >> I'm not sure if I understand this correctly. >> >> > as you search for a Glossary item, in your *zettelkasten *tiddlywiki, >> you can have the search also look for the use of that term in >> *zettelkasten* >> >> But I want the search to look for the term in *zettelkasten* and >> *bibliography* as well. And this is what TW-Searchwikis is about, right? >> >> > If you kept a glossary centrally and its not too big you could package >> and install it on any wiki. >> >> What do you mean by a glossary? I don't have a central tiddler where I >> keep track of "terms" that are used in multiple wikis. >> >> To give you a more precise example: >> >> - I wrote a short summary about David Allen's GTD book >> >> <https://brainfck.org/bib.html#Getting%20Things%20Done%20-%20The%20Art%20of%20Stress-Free%20Productivity> >> - There I have a link to GTD <https://brainfck.org/index.html#GTD> >> which is part of the *zettelkasten* >> - In the GTD tiddler <https://brainfck.org/index.html#GTD> itself >> I have a *source field* (origin of information, thanks @bimlas for >> that) which contains a link back to the tiddler in *bibliography* >> - Sometimes I want to link to some quotes (for example Getting >> Things Done - Note 3 >> >> <https://brainfck.org/bib.html#Getting%20Things%20Done%20-%20Note%203>) >> in the *zettelkasten* wiki >> - what I want now to achieve is to show in Getting Things Done >> - Note 3 >> >> <https://brainfck.org/bib.html#Getting%20Things%20Done%20-%20Note%203> >> which tiddlers in *zettelkasten *(and not only) are pointing to >> it >> >> >> I hope this helps. >> >> Victor >> >> On Thursday, November 5, 2020 at 9:02:59 AM UTC+1 TW Tones wrote: >> >>> Victor, >>> >>> At the same time as you search for a Glossary item, in your >>> *zettelkasten *tiddlywiki, you can have the search also look for the >>> use of that term in *zettelkasten .* that is effectively what the >>> backlinks would be. If you kept a glossary centrally and its not too big >>> you could package and install it on any wiki. Drag and drop update. If you >>> could go further you copuld let you add glossary items in any wiki but have >>> a tool to export additions and include them in the central wiki. >>> >>> Regards >>> Tones >>> >>> On Thursday, 5 November 2020 18:40:48 UTC+11, Victor Dorneanu wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi everybody, >>>> >>>> somehow I must have missed the notifications for this thread. First of >>>> all thanks for your replies. I didn't know TW-Searchwikis before and I >>>> think that for searching tiddlers in multiple wikis that's definitely the >>>> perfect tool. >>>> >>>> As for "links between multiple wikis" I'll try to give a more >>>> comprehensive explanation: >>>> >>>> >>>> - the reason why I've splitted "concerns"/domains/contexts in >>>> multiple wikis is because of the size: I don't want to have a big >>>> bloated >>>> wiki, instead I want to have multiple ones >>>> - one for the zettelkasten >>>> - one for the bibliography >>>> - individual ones for several domains like IT security, >>>> nutrition, sports etc. >>>> - one for collection of bookmarks >>>> - etc. >>>> - now when I create links e.g. from the *zettelkasten* to the >>>> *bibliography* wiki, I also need to specify the location of the >>>> wiki as well (like I've described at the beginning of this thread) >>>> - imagine after some years you'll have hundreds of links from >>>> one wiki to another >>>> - let's say the location of one wiki changes (bib.html changes >>>> to bibliography.html) >>>> - then I'll have to update the links to reflect the new wiki >>>> location (bibliography.html) >>>> - and that's what I mean by "elegant" >>>> - regardless of the method I use to interlink between >>>> multiple wikis there should be a way to update multiple links >>>> easily >>>> - and this solution should also work in 15 years :D >>>> - one thing that is not solved yet (at least I haven't found a >>>> solution): >>>> - let's stick to the *zettelkasten* -> *bibliography* example >>>> (you have several tiddlers in *zettelkasten* containing links to >>>> tiddlers in *bibliography*) >>>> - inserting links in the *zettelkasten* to some tiddlers in the >>>> *bibliography* wiki is easy (I still use the macro mentioned >>>> before) >>>> - but how do I show *backlinks* in the *bibliography* wiki? >>>> - more specific: how can I show which tiddlers in the >>>> *zettelkasten* wiki point to _this_ specific tiddler in the >>>> *bibliography* wiki? >>>> >>>> I hope my post is not that confusing. I'm looking forward to your >>>> comments and suggestions. >>>> >>>> Victor >>>> On Thursday, November 5, 2020 at 7:05:57 AM UTC+1 TW Tones wrote: >>>> >>>>> Victor, >>>>> >>>>> I will backup David's suggestion of Mohammad's searchWikis because you >>>>> can link to specific tiddler in another wiki but they key is what you >>>>> want >>>>> to achieve. >>>>> >>>>> The first rule is you can do anything with links you can on any >>>>> website, use permalinks and permaviews, drag and drop between wikis, >>>>> iframe >>>>> one in another and create link that open in the the same target >>>>> windows/tab. Bob or bobexe is critical if you may open the same wiki for >>>>> edit in different tabs, windows or browsers. >>>>> >>>>> Copy to clipboard is a way to take a search string from one wiki to >>>>> another and a lot more can be done. >>>>> >>>>> I recently responded to someone else's questions on the same subject >>>>> and someone else was talking about capturing bookmarks with tiddlywiki >>>>> which can include tiddlywiki itself. >>>>> >>>>> Regards >>>>> Tones >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sunday, 13 September 2020 20:29:22 UTC+10, Victor Dorneanu wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> I don't know if this topic has been discussed somewhere else, but I'd >>>>>> like to know if there is any "elegant" solution how to create links >>>>>> between >>>>>> tiddlers in different wikis. >>>>>> >>>>>> I've recently found Tobi Beer's quick'n'dirty solution >>>>>> <https://tobibeer.github.io/TiddlyWiki5/> which uses several macros >>>>>> to have something like: >>>>>> >>>>>> <<. docs Documentation>> >>>>>> >>>>>> to link to a tiddler called "Documentation" in the "docs" wiki. If >>>>>> you look at *$:/editions/docs *you'll see a "src" field where the >>>>>> location of the wiki is specified (in that case docs.html). >>>>>> >>>>>> I use the same approach for my personal Zettelkasten >>>>>> <http://brainfck.org/> where I have: >>>>>> >>>>>> 1) one TW instance (single HTML file) for the knowledge base >>>>>> 2) one TW instance (single HTML file) for bibliography and sources >>>>>> (web articles etc.) >>>>>> >>>>>> Are there any other ways to implement this? Thanks in advance. >>>>>> >>>>>> KR, >>>>>> Victor >>>>>> >>>>> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/13bc1634-87ca-470a-bae7-7a0e0f378ffbo%40googlegroups.com.
