> if I may suggest you something, I think it is way better to go for "server" solution of tiddlty wiki like TW5-Bob <https://github.com/OokTech/TW5-Bob> or node js than single file wiki
I've used nodeJS solution before on my local machine and it got laggy. I guess you can still improve performance but that wasn't the main factor I've switched to single files. The reason therefor was: I wanted to be able to edit my wikis from _everywhere_. That also includes smartphones. And I also didn't want to setup a nodeJS environment somewhere in the cloud or using a VPS to host the Tiddlywiki instance (I've also tested nodeJS version of Tiddlywiki using termux <https://termux.com/>, but that kind of complicated things). Besides that I still wanted to "own" the data, that's why I also didn't go for tiddlyspot for example. Now I use the TiddlyDrive Add-on for Google Drive <https://tiddlywiki.com/static/TiddlyDrive%2520Add-on%2520for%2520Google%2520Drive%2520by%2520Joshua%2520Stubbs.html> which perfectly fits my needs: I can access it from everywhere, using any client (smartphone, desktop, chrome, firefox) and it's easy and convenient to use. From there I export the files to some S3 bucket, which is publicly available. But I think this is off-topic and doesn't really have to with the initial topic. > If you want to search the full tiddlers text and other fields from inside a wiki ultimately you actually want these tiddlers inside your wiki Yeah, but that's exactly what I do not want :) I want to separate concerns (like I've mentioned above). There are also 3rd party solutions that allow searching in a big JSON database (since we can extract everything from the Tiddlywiki in JSON format). I've done this previously with hugo (check out this site <https://gohugo.io/tools/search/>, especially lunr.js <https://lunrjs.com/>). To come to a conclusion: I think I need to investigate more time how I want to use my *zettelkasten* and my *bibliography*. At the moment I'm just feeding those 2 systems with data and in a 2nd process I actually link between tiddlers. At that point I might find best practices how to deal with "external" tiddlers. Currently I just need to know if there are already tiddlers related to a topic and if yes, _where_ are they :) Thanks for your valuable input. On Monday, November 9, 2020 at 1:45:47 AM UTC+1 TW Tones wrote: > Victor/[email protected], > > With respect this experience of yours [email protected] is not mine. I > thus feel I need to present a dissenting view. > > Unless very big, or editing the current tiddler incorrectly or with too > much occurring on the screen at once my single file wikis are almost never > "laggy", in every case there are options to reduce such lag. This can be > helped with large wikis on servers if using special features such as > external media and skinny tiddlers but many of the same techniques used on > single file wikis, can be needed even on a server wiki, due to the way it > is loaded into browser memory. Keep in mind skinny tiddlers are like > searchwikis indexes, you can not necessarily search there content unless > they are loaded. > > Victor specifically, > > If you want to search the full tiddlers text and other fields from inside > a wiki ultimately you actually want these tiddlers inside your wiki. > Depending on the way you will maintain your data a lot can still be done. > As I suggested in my previous relies a lot of this is what is you work flow > and wiki interchange, why are you searching, what kind of thing are you > looking for and what do you want to do with it when you find it? As I > suggested if you are looking for details within a bibliography entry go to > that dedicated wiki. > > Typically Bibliographies and Glossaries and other kinds of cumulative > reference information shared through out an organisation are independent > resources and the title is the key to that reference and find for > integration into other solutions. Thus the search wikis indexing of titles > is sufficient, if you need deeper research go to the reference wiki, then > have a method to transfer your results to the current wiki if needed. > > Alternatively you could publish your bibliography as a plugin tiddler and > drop it on your working wiki, or via a library. > > Regards > Tones > > > On Monday, 9 November 2020 07:01:15 UTC+11, [email protected] wrote: >> >> @Victor Dorneanu, buddy, if I may suggest you something, I think it is >> way better to go for "server" solution of tiddlty wiki like TW5-Bob >> <https://github.com/OokTech/TW5-Bob> or node js than single file wiki. I >> used single file approach when I started with Tiddly Wiki and it gets laggy >> very quick and you are not able to get anything from this wiki if enything >> breaks. In "server approach" each tiddler is a separate file, each image is >> kept in its original, file form instead of hard coding it. You have much >> more possibilities to remediate in case of trouble. >> >> niedziela, 8 listopada 2020 o 20:53:29 UTC+1 [email protected] >> napisał(a): >> >>> I did tests of TW-Searchwikis <https://kookma.github.io/TW-Searchwikis/> >>> plugin today and it seems to me like it is only looking for text in title >>> and tags, not in the body of tiddler. Please tell me if it is possible to >>> make it look for searched text also in the body of tiddler, because without >>> that it is useless for me, because I decided to use generic and auto >>> incremented names of tiddlers in order to save time and confusion of coming >>> up with unique names. >>> >>> piątek, 6 listopada 2020 o 09:16:28 UTC+1 Victor Dorneanu napisał(a): >>> >>>> Yeah, thanks for your clarifications. At least I think I know how this >>>> *might >>>> *work. But I guess "Searchwikis" will definitely improve the search >>>> across multiple wikis. And as you already mentioned: I need to find a >>>> method how to share indices across multiple wikis in a convenient way. >>>> >>>> Thanks for your input. >>>> >>>> Victor >>>> >>>> On Friday, November 6, 2020 at 1:09:30 AM UTC+1 TW Tones wrote: >>>> >>>>> Victor, >>>>> >>>>> Since a bibliography is an index, perhaps it (the wiki) can contain >>>>> the search part of mohammads "Searchwikis" that make use of an index of >>>>> each/all wikis making use of bibliographic entries. After a little work >>>>> on >>>>> your on your *zettelkasten* Wiki generate an index and drop it on >>>>> the bibliograqphic wiki, now a search on the bibliographic wiki will also >>>>> be a search of the *zettelkasten wiki* >>>>> On the *zettelkasten wiki* create a method to find one or more >>>>> references to the same bibliographic link. >>>>> >>>>> We can make this almost seamless with more work, but my point is to >>>>> develop the appropriate practice. >>>>> >>>>> Regards >>>>> Tones >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Friday, 6 November 2020 11:00:33 UTC+11, TW Tones wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Victor, >>>>>> >>>>>> Sorry for the confusion, replace my use of the word Glossary With >>>>>> Bibliography. >>>>>> >>>>>> What is a back link?, it shows you where that entry is in use in >>>>>> other tiddlers. >>>>>> >>>>>> Having a separate bibliography html, you create and name >>>>>> bibliographic entries. In the First wiki you provide a link to the >>>>>> bibliographic entry using the permalink link / same name. Thus in the >>>>>> first >>>>>> wiki you can link to/reference that bibliographic entry multiple times. >>>>>> The >>>>>> equivalent of a back link is a search that can find all links to the >>>>>> same >>>>>> bibliographic entry (the links to the other wiki) but in searching the >>>>>> first wiki. The backlinking in the Bibliographic wiki only points to >>>>>> tiddlers linking to the entry in the bibliographical wiki and are of >>>>>> little >>>>>> use. >>>>>> >>>>>> A much underutilised part of tiddlywiki seems to be the development >>>>>> of "soft" practices or procedures, perhaps supported by software (ie >>>>>> wikitext, widgets and macros). Commonly called work flow. Remember the >>>>>> most >>>>>> intelligent part of the whole solution is the human. Teach the human - >>>>>> yourself to follow some documented practices and you can solve many >>>>>> problems. I have at least a dozen practices like this, including >>>>>> building >>>>>> tiddlywiki solutions to build tiddlywiki solutions. It is all quite >>>>>> "meta" >>>>>> or self referential. >>>>>> >>>>>> I hope this explains what I have said a little better. >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards >>>>>> Tones >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thursday, 5 November 2020 19:35:55 UTC+11, Victor Dorneanu wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm not sure if I understand this correctly. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> > as you search for a Glossary item, in your *zettelkasten *tiddlywiki, >>>>>>> you can have the search also look for the use of that term in >>>>>>> *zettelkasten* >>>>>>> >>>>>>> But I want the search to look for the term in *zettelkasten* and >>>>>>> *bibliography* as well. And this is what TW-Searchwikis is about, >>>>>>> right? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> > If you kept a glossary centrally and its not too big you could >>>>>>> package and install it on any wiki. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> What do you mean by a glossary? I don't have a central tiddler where >>>>>>> I keep track of "terms" that are used in multiple wikis. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> To give you a more precise example: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> - I wrote a short summary about David Allen's GTD book >>>>>>> >>>>>>> <https://brainfck.org/bib.html#Getting%20Things%20Done%20-%20The%20Art%20of%20Stress-Free%20Productivity> >>>>>>> - There I have a link to GTD >>>>>>> <https://brainfck.org/index.html#GTD> which is part of the >>>>>>> *zettelkasten* >>>>>>> - In the GTD tiddler <https://brainfck.org/index.html#GTD> >>>>>>> itself I have a *source field* (origin of information, thanks >>>>>>> @bimlas for that) which contains a link back to the tiddler in >>>>>>> *bibliography* >>>>>>> - Sometimes I want to link to some quotes (for example Getting >>>>>>> Things Done - Note 3 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> <https://brainfck.org/bib.html#Getting%20Things%20Done%20-%20Note%203>) >>>>>>> in the *zettelkasten* wiki >>>>>>> - what I want now to achieve is to show in Getting Things >>>>>>> Done - Note 3 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> <https://brainfck.org/bib.html#Getting%20Things%20Done%20-%20Note%203> >>>>>>> which tiddlers in *zettelkasten *(and not only) are >>>>>>> pointing to it >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I hope this helps. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Victor >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thursday, November 5, 2020 at 9:02:59 AM UTC+1 TW Tones wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Victor, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> At the same time as you search for a Glossary item, in your >>>>>>>> *zettelkasten *tiddlywiki, you can have the search also look for >>>>>>>> the use of that term in *zettelkasten .* that is effectively what >>>>>>>> the backlinks would be. If you kept a glossary centrally and its not >>>>>>>> too >>>>>>>> big you could package and install it on any wiki. Drag and drop >>>>>>>> update. If >>>>>>>> you could go further you copuld let you add glossary items in any wiki >>>>>>>> but >>>>>>>> have a tool to export additions and include them in the central wiki. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>> Tones >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Thursday, 5 November 2020 18:40:48 UTC+11, Victor Dorneanu wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi everybody, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> somehow I must have missed the notifications for this thread. >>>>>>>>> First of all thanks for your replies. I didn't know TW-Searchwikis >>>>>>>>> before >>>>>>>>> and I think that for searching tiddlers in multiple wikis that's >>>>>>>>> definitely >>>>>>>>> the perfect tool. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> As for "links between multiple wikis" I'll try to give a more >>>>>>>>> comprehensive explanation: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> - the reason why I've splitted "concerns"/domains/contexts in >>>>>>>>> multiple wikis is because of the size: I don't want to have a big >>>>>>>>> bloated >>>>>>>>> wiki, instead I want to have multiple ones >>>>>>>>> - one for the zettelkasten >>>>>>>>> - one for the bibliography >>>>>>>>> - individual ones for several domains like IT security, >>>>>>>>> nutrition, sports etc. >>>>>>>>> - one for collection of bookmarks >>>>>>>>> - etc. >>>>>>>>> - now when I create links e.g. from the *zettelkasten* to the >>>>>>>>> *bibliography* wiki, I also need to specify the location of >>>>>>>>> the wiki as well (like I've described at the beginning of this >>>>>>>>> thread) >>>>>>>>> - imagine after some years you'll have hundreds of links >>>>>>>>> from one wiki to another >>>>>>>>> - let's say the location of one wiki changes (bib.html >>>>>>>>> changes to bibliography.html) >>>>>>>>> - then I'll have to update the links to reflect the new >>>>>>>>> wiki location (bibliography.html) >>>>>>>>> - and that's what I mean by "elegant" >>>>>>>>> - regardless of the method I use to interlink between >>>>>>>>> multiple wikis there should be a way to update multiple >>>>>>>>> links easily >>>>>>>>> - and this solution should also work in 15 years :D >>>>>>>>> - one thing that is not solved yet (at least I haven't >>>>>>>>> found a solution): >>>>>>>>> - let's stick to the *zettelkasten* -> *bibliography* >>>>>>>>> example (you have several tiddlers in *zettelkasten* >>>>>>>>> containing links to tiddlers in *bibliography*) >>>>>>>>> - inserting links in the *zettelkasten* to some tiddlers in >>>>>>>>> the *bibliography* wiki is easy (I still use the macro >>>>>>>>> mentioned before) >>>>>>>>> - but how do I show *backlinks* in the *bibliography* wiki? >>>>>>>>> - more specific: how can I show which tiddlers in the >>>>>>>>> *zettelkasten* wiki point to _this_ specific tiddler in >>>>>>>>> the *bibliography* wiki? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I hope my post is not that confusing. I'm looking forward to your >>>>>>>>> comments and suggestions. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Victor >>>>>>>>> On Thursday, November 5, 2020 at 7:05:57 AM UTC+1 TW Tones wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Victor, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I will backup David's suggestion of Mohammad's searchWikis >>>>>>>>>> because you can link to specific tiddler in another wiki but they >>>>>>>>>> key is >>>>>>>>>> what you want to achieve. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The first rule is you can do anything with links you can on any >>>>>>>>>> website, use permalinks and permaviews, drag and drop between wikis, >>>>>>>>>> iframe >>>>>>>>>> one in another and create link that open in the the same target >>>>>>>>>> windows/tab. Bob or bobexe is critical if you may open the same wiki >>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>> edit in different tabs, windows or browsers. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Copy to clipboard is a way to take a search string from one wiki >>>>>>>>>> to another and a lot more can be done. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I recently responded to someone else's questions on the same >>>>>>>>>> subject and someone else was talking about capturing bookmarks with >>>>>>>>>> tiddlywiki which can include tiddlywiki itself. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>>>> Tones >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, 13 September 2020 20:29:22 UTC+10, Victor Dorneanu >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I don't know if this topic has been discussed somewhere else, >>>>>>>>>>> but I'd like to know if there is any "elegant" solution how to >>>>>>>>>>> create links >>>>>>>>>>> between tiddlers in different wikis. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I've recently found Tobi Beer's quick'n'dirty solution >>>>>>>>>>> <https://tobibeer.github.io/TiddlyWiki5/> which uses several >>>>>>>>>>> macros to have something like: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> <<. docs Documentation>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> to link to a tiddler called "Documentation" in the "docs" wiki. >>>>>>>>>>> If you look at *$:/editions/docs *you'll see a "src" field >>>>>>>>>>> where the location of the wiki is specified (in that case >>>>>>>>>>> docs.html). >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I use the same approach for my personal Zettelkasten >>>>>>>>>>> <http://brainfck.org/> where I have: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> 1) one TW instance (single HTML file) for the knowledge base >>>>>>>>>>> 2) one TW instance (single HTML file) for bibliography and >>>>>>>>>>> sources (web articles etc.) >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Are there any other ways to implement this? Thanks in advance. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> KR, >>>>>>>>>>> Victor >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/14e7cdbe-b20e-4a44-9c1b-732b2eeaace8n%40googlegroups.com.
