Aw shucks, thanks Tones. Well-wishes and notes of sympathy are always appreciated !
I've always had a sense of loyalty and dedication, so however banged-up, I just could not give up on my employer. Employer giving up on me is, strangely enough, a huge sense of relief ... freedom! All things unfold as they are meant to. Cue The Story of the Chinese Farmer <https://wellsbaum.blog/alan-watts-story-of-the-chinese-farmer/> . Well, now I have "freedom" on the brain: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMS2VnDveP8 On Thu, Dec 10, 2020 at 6:40 PM TW Tones <anthony.mus...@gmail.com> wrote: > Charlie, > > Sad to hear a loss of employment may have being forced on you, but as you > seem to know embrace it as the opportunity it is. One thing you can be sure > of, this is one team you remain a member of. > > Tones > > On Friday, 11 December 2020 at 01:59:27 UTC+11 Charlie Veniot wrote: > >> G'day bobj, >> >> Just a quick note to say I've finally had a chance to have a first look >> at your shared TW. >> >> Seeing as I tend to be slow as molasses, and need to read something >> multiple times, as I'm dealing with a few too many distractions (loss of >> employment as of last Thursday and now trying to figure out what I want to >> be when I grow up). >> >> I am slightly deer in the headlights at the moment, so bear with me and >> know that I definitely do not have you or this on ignore ! >> >> On Thursday, December 3, 2020 at 1:00:47 AM UTC-4 bob...@gmail.com wrote: >> >>> Colleagues, >>> >>> all this thinking started by Charlie's initial posting, has led me to >>> begin building a simple TW utilising the Toulmin Argument Model for >>> representing links and associations between TW tiddlers. This is something >>> I have been planning to do for some time, now that I am 'retired' I have >>> the time. >>> >>> My reasoning is that a completed statement represents the context in >>> which the link between Ground and Claim can be made. This then also >>> supports many different reasons for creating an association between a set >>> of Grounds and Claims each one providing a single instance of context in >>> which the association is deemed valid. >>> >>> My thoughts so far: >>> A statement can be considered like an IF...THEN statement but more >>> complicated due to the additional elements, Warrant, Backing, Rebuttal and >>> Qualifier. The IF part represents the Ground and the THEN part the Claim. >>> >>> The Qualifier could be a percentage value or some other statement of >>> possibility/plausibility. >>> >>> Not all elements need to be utilised in any statement, only those that >>> make sense for that particular statement. >>> >>> Elements can be re-used between statements >>> >>> Statements can be collected together into a domain of thought or >>> applicability. Thus a single TW could cater for many domains. >>> >>> Each element is represented by its own tiddler and all tiddlers for a >>> statement are linked together to form the completed statement. Links are >>> stored as Field values in the statement tiddler and also in a Statement >>> field of each element tiddler as the links are essentially many-to-many in >>> ER terms. >>> >>> Quandries: >>> >>> How to handle content elements not text? Images, audio, video, etc... >>> >>> How to produce an 'active' instance of the domain, ie. an instance that >>> functions follow some reasoning mechanism (ie. forward chaining...) >>> >>> Shared TW: >>> >>> http://turtlelane.com.au/Development/ToulminModel/toulmin.html >>> >>> Happy to have your input/thoughts/etc. >>> >>> bobj >>> >>> On Wednesday, 2 December 2020 at 15:30:11 UTC+11 Charlie Veniot wrote: >>> >>>> Like misery, hyperactive-firing-on-all-cylinders synapses love company >>>> ... >>>> >>>> Although right here in this group is fine by me, I'm interested >>>> wherever discussion happens. >>>> >>>> On Tuesday, December 1, 2020 at 11:30:48 PM UTC-4 bob...@gmail.com >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Charlie, Tones, TiddlyTweeter >>>>> >>>>> first off, I hold you personally responsible for firing up my dormant >>>>> synapses. Thanks for that, you have provided renewed impetus for me to >>>>> continue pondering these issues, which I essentially ceased to do in any >>>>> meaningful way since I left my research position at CSIRO (the Federal >>>>> Government's research body in Australia). A dormant area of my brain has >>>>> reawakened :-) This will also require me to unbox my library so suitable >>>>> books can be re-queried (all my books are in storage as we have been >>>>> living >>>>> most of the time in South Korea for the past decade. Corona has left us >>>>> 'stranded' in Sydney). >>>>> >>>>> I will respond to the recent postings but, like Tones, need to think >>>>> things through a bit more rather than provide a rambling nonsense of ideas >>>>> and thoughts. >>>>> >>>>> One thought though. Maybe it is time to take discussion outside of >>>>> this group. Not that I want to disenfranchise anybody but the discussion >>>>> has wider ramifications/application than Tiddlywiki. It also can be >>>>> applied >>>>> to Mediawiki and even Bill Atkinson's original Hypercard and its >>>>> offshoots. >>>>> Also, this discussion can then take advantage to TW's linking facility, >>>>> etc. Just a thought. >>>>> >>>>> Ciao for now. >>>>> >>>>> bobj >>>>> On Wednesday, 2 December 2020 at 14:19:52 UTC+11 Bob Jansen wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> TiddlyTweeter wrote: >>>>>> "Very good case example (http://cultconv.com/ [footnote---on mobile >>>>>> its too minuscule!])." >>>>>> >>>>>> yes, I know of the sizing issue on mobile devices. Not sure how to >>>>>> handle that other than a redesign which I am loathe to do given usage >>>>>> stats >>>>>> (~8,000 per month over last calendar year). The basic design is for >>>>>> multiple synchronous channels of information, in this case four >>>>>> (video/audio, transcript, table of contents and images with captions). >>>>>> Altogether too much for a small screen. Plus on iPhone, the video takes >>>>>> over the whole screen anyway. >>>>>> >>>>>> bobj >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tuesday, 1 December 2020 at 03:50:57 UTC+11 TiddlyTweeter wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Ciao bobj >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Very good case example (http://cultconv.com/ [footnote---on mobile >>>>>>> its too minuscule!]). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> BTW, I really took to your last point ... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Throughout all of my research career, the issue that continually >>>>>>>> crops up is context. I think this is the crucial component to keep >>>>>>>> things >>>>>>>> understandable. Yet no agreed understanding of context exists yet we >>>>>>>> all >>>>>>>> use it ... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Right. In terms of information design issues there is no algorithm >>>>>>> for accurately deriving either "scope of meaning" or "scope of inference >>>>>>> (context implying)". Though it is pretty clear on net that within >>>>>>> "fields >>>>>>> of interest" context is ALWAYS playing an implicit role in successful >>>>>>> sites. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I thought the site you gave access to excellent. *Very honed to >>>>>>> purpose*. It is an unusual (uplifting) thing seeing such a >>>>>>> "schematization" work so well. >>>>>>> I think that is the point. You have to "sniff/tease" out context and >>>>>>> back generate (derive) schema from that first-felt understanding that >>>>>>> isn't >>>>>>> otherwise derivable. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Best wishes >>>>>>> TT >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the > Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. > To unsubscribe from this topic, visit > https://groups.google.com/d/topic/tiddlywiki/57_eiPadjCo/unsubscribe. > To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to > tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/04e5df58-9b2e-4037-bf2e-896fd09a8b8bn%40googlegroups.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/04e5df58-9b2e-4037-bf2e-896fd09a8b8bn%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. 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