Tones, I am doing the "I'm not worthy" thing right now. That totally made my day, very likely my weekend, and a wee possibility of making my month.
Aside 1: Your line matches my fondness for Ron James' oh-so-awesome "running of the words". Just in case you enjoy his brand of comedy: - RON'S TAKE ON ARTISANAL CHEESE | RON JAMES <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJ0IkAuHCjk&feature=emb_logo> - Grizzly Bears - Ron James: Quest for the West <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xo4H1Nxo0O8> - My hockey skates had buckles | RON JAMES <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrDRFm4xJEQ> - After watching just those three, I think I know where my weekend is going ... Aside 3: To be a pig in the mud. Oh happy the thought. Then "squeal like a pig" thought ruined it all ... Cheers to one and all ! On Friday, December 4, 2020 at 3:22:18 AM UTC-4 TW Tones wrote: > Charlie, > > I think we agree furiously, but I will need to create a tiddler tagged > Charlie with the title - > *"Charlie just has a very niche semantic/philosophical perspective about > hierarchies." * > to see If I can remember to use this when this issue arises again :) ie: > rather than "*Charlies love hate relationship with hierarchy*" > > Ha Ha! > > Oh, and about pigs, this kind of subject makes me *"feel like a pig in > mud"*, very happy. > > Tones > > On Friday, 4 December 2020 at 14:32:17 UTC+11 Charlie Veniot wrote: > >> I heartily second the motion of TiddlyWiki as best of breed platform. >> (Well, unless page/tiddler revision history is important information, >> and/or multi-editor solution is needed. Not sure I'm in love trying to >> handle those things with TiddlyWiki unless somebody can show me an elegant >> solution that doesn't bog down TiddlyWiki something silly.) >> >> Also, I've got to give out a hearty "hey hey hey, wait a second." (Or >> "sure, I'll take the bait?") It isn't a love-hate relationship with >> hierarchies. I just have a very niche (yeah, I was just starving for an >> opportunity to use that word...) semantic/philosophical perspective about >> hierarchies. >> >> I see every tiddler (any and every object, whether in a "hierarchy" or >> not) as a first class citizen. And every tiddler has information (tags, >> fields, whatever) that "aggregate" tiddlers can use for transclusion of >> whatever tiddlers in any number of contextual views, most likely turning >> out as hierarchies (because it is so easy to cognitively handle), but could >> be any kind of structure that makes sense for that contextual view (loads >> of great examples in Wikipedia's InfoMaps >> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:InfoMaps> page). >> >> So I see each tiddler as independently useful information (other tiddlers >> be damned, but just for a moment), as equally important as any other >> tiddler. And each tiddler is begging to appear in as many useful aggregate >> tiddlers (or contextual views) with whatever visual structure rocks the >> daylights out of the need/purpose. >> >> Often enough, my writing is very much helped by a hierarchical tiddler >> creation process because it is helping me churn tiddlers. Much more my >> norm: my writing is not hierarchical at all (i.e. helter-skelter non-linear >> to the hilt), and I don't have hierarchy at all on the brain. Or I might >> have some untold number of hierarchies simultaneously/spontaneously on the >> brain. >> >> Whatever helps avoid "writer's block" at that particular moment. Churn >> churn churn, don't get stuck in the mud, don't get sticks caught in the >> wheels. >> >> Regardless, whatever tiddler I'm looking at, I can't think of a time >> where I've ever thought of it as subsidiary to any other tiddler. I find >> that when I lock myself into thinking of a tiddler as subsidiary to some >> other tiddler in a structure, that stifles the potential (my ability) of >> imagining alternative structural/informational possibilities. >> >> Well, that's how my mind works, and I don't fight it. Fighting my >> sponge is like trying to teach a pig how to sing: waste of time, and >> annoys the pig. (Now I'm trying to conceptualise which part of my sponge >> represents the pig. Hmmm, bacon...) >> >> >> On Thursday, December 3, 2020 at 10:31:19 PM UTC-4 TW Tones wrote: >> >>> Gentlemen, >>> >>> I just want to add if there has not being a database model before, >>> tiddlywiki is an ideal platform to model any relationship. Of late I have >>> endeavoured in any application to never compromise the ability to add an >>> additional layer of organisation, an alternate view or a different >>> simultaneous representation. An old line "not taking hostages of the >>> future" my father quotes, is reinvented by me to "Not taking decisions >>> that compromise the future" is an interesting approach on top of tiddlywiki >>> especially when looking at alternate database or knowledge models. As one >>> proceeds to "try different systems" on top of tiddlywiki we gain practical >>> experience with a kind of meta database systems view. >>> >>> One Idea of my own that may be of interest, not withstanding Charlies >>> love hate relationship with hierarchy ,is the following model I am keen to >>> experiment with. >>> >>> - Every object is a tiddler >>> - Every object is in a hierarchy, even if it begins with only one >>> - Every attribute is a relationship to an object in another hierarchy >>> - Hierarchies act as I kind of "fuzzy value" where with more >>> information the hierarchies go deeper as they grow >>> - When assigning an attribute a value you do so via a relationship >>> to a hierarchy if you find it you use it, if not you add it, >>> - If you do not have a detail ie it is coloured but no what color it >>> is you point to an item in the color hierarchy such as color - or >>> unknown >>> colour. >>> - Should you come across a database of colors you use it to populate >>> the colour hierarchy, and where possible change items pointing into the >>> hierarchy you move the relationship to a less fuzzy member of the >>> hierarchy. >>> - People, a group, a process can take charge of a hierarchy and do >>> as they wish as long as the honour or improve the relationships already >>> codified. >>> >>> Just some thoughts >>> Tones >>> >>> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. 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