Ok, I think I'm back to "doesn't work with dropping." Might have to revisit
tomorrow.
Thanks!
On Friday, December 18, 2020 at 8:28:47 PM UTC-8 TW Tones wrote:
> Well here is my test on the pre-release.
>
> <$button>
> <$action-setfield $tiddler="$:/savedtitle" text="" />
> <$action-createtiddler $basetitle="Secret" $savetitle="$:/savedtitle"
> tags="Excerpt" text="do you see me now 2?" />
> <$action-setfield $tiddler="testtiddler" text={{$:/savedtitle}} />
> <$action-navigate $to={{$:/savedtitle}}/>
> Go
> </$button>
>
> testtiddler: {{testtiddler}} saved title {{$:/savedtitle}} $:/savedtitle
> [[testtiddler]]
>
> It seems to me to be doing what is expected of it.
>
> - Each time I click it generates the tiddler and updates testtiddler
> with the current new title.
> - So yes the $:/savedtitle is available to the second setfield.
> - I clear the $:/savedtitle first as a demo but it is not necessary.
>
> Tones
> On Saturday, 19 December 2020 at 15:10:08 UTC+11 Mark S. wrote:
>
>> Ok, the navigation actually occurs AFTER the entire routine has finished.
>> Inside the routine, the value of the saved tiddler is unavailable.
>>
>> To see this, try this variation:
>>
>> <$button>
>> <$action-createtiddler $basetitle="Secret" $savetitle="$:/savedtitle"
>> tags="Excerpt" text="do you see me now 2?" />
>> <$action-setfield $tiddler="testtiddler" text={{$:/savedtitle}} />
>> <$action-navigate $to={{$:/savedtitle}}/>
>> Go
>> </$button>
>>
>> testtiddler: {{testtiddler}}
>>
>> When you press go, the contents of testtiddler will be the *prior* (if
>> there were any) contents of $:/savedtitle, not the one's generated during
>> the routine.
>>
>>
>> On Friday, December 18, 2020 at 6:24:11 PM UTC-8 TW Tones wrote:
>>
>>> Folks,
>>>
>>> I may be missing something here, or perhaps 5.1.23 has reverted
>>> (untested by me yet), but I cant help but feel these posts are
>>> miss-representing things somehow.
>>>
>>> The drop actions do add complexity to this but inside a single button I
>>> have used createtiddler then referenced the save title as a variable and
>>> used it elsewhere.
>>> However if one determines a base title that does not exist yet, then the
>>> save title will always be the same and you don't even need to access it.
>>> Just use the first title to used for base title. If multiple tiddlers are
>>> written they should receive a number increment tiddlername 1, tiddlername 2
>>> etc... in which case they all have the prefix tiddlername. Knowing this if
>>> you want you can rename them.
>>>
>>> In the pre-release
>>> <$button>
>>> <$action-createtiddler $basetitle="Excerpt" $savetitle="$:/savedtitle"
>>> tags="Excerpt" text=<<actionText>> />
>>> <$action-navigate $to={{$:/savedtitle}}/>
>>> Go
>>> </$button>
>>>
>>> This works, and it can only do so if the $:/savedtitle is correct when
>>> the action-navigate is done.
>>> So how can the OT of marks say? *The title saved in $:/savetitle
>>> doesn't become available until AFTER the routine it is in finishes. This
>>> means it is too late to be used by other widgets inside of the same
>>> routine/macro.*
>>> If becomes available immediately after the createTiddler action how can
>>> this be true?
>>>
>>> Tones
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, 18 December 2020 at 17:02:34 UTC+11 [email protected] wrote:
>>>
>>>> The problem is highlighted by something like this:
>>>>
>>>> \define dropaction()
>>>> <$action-createtiddler $basetitle=<<actionTiddler>> />
>>>> <$list
>>>> filter="[all[tiddlers]search:title<actionTiddler>sort[created]last[]]"
>>>> variable="lastcreated">
>>>> <$fieldmangler tiddler=<<lastcreated>>>
>>>> <$action-sendmessage $message="tm-add-tag" $param=<<currentTiddler>>/>
>>>> </$fieldmangler>
>>>> </$list>
>>>> \end
>>>>
>>>> <$droppable actions=<<dropaction>>>Some area to drop on
>>>> </$droppable>
>>>>
>>>> ... this brute-force approach doesn't work and will tag the second from
>>>> last one since the action-createtiddler doesn't create a tiddler until the
>>>> entire action is done.
>>>>
>>>> None of these work now but maybe one of these solutions could be
>>>> adopted in the core:
>>>> 1) the DroppableWidget could be made to act more like the ButtonWidget
>>>> in that actions within the widget are triggered so <$droppable
>>>> actions=<<second_actions>> > <<first_actions>> </$droppable> would work.
>>>> Right now only <<second_actions>> trigger.
>>>>
>>>> 2) DroppableWidgets (and ButtonWidgets) could be make nestable with
>>>> inner widgets completing before outer ones so that you can have constructs
>>>> like:
>>>>
>>>> <$droppable actions=<<nth_drop_action>>>
>>>> ...
>>>> <$droppable actions=<<second_drop_action>>>
>>>> <$droppable actions=<<first_drop_action>>>Some area to drop on
>>>> </$droppable>
>>>> </$droppable>
>>>> ...
>>>> </$droppable>
>>>>
>>>> 3) ActionCreateTiddlerWidget could have a variable scope that acts
>>>> like <$fieldmangler> to do things like:
>>>> <$action-createtiddler $basetitle="Created Tiddler">
>>>>
>>>> <<actions_that_use_currentTiddler_or_defined_variable_that_is_same_as_that_stored_in_$savetitle>>
>>>> </$action-createtiddler>
>>>>
>>>> ... however having the name won't help if the tiddler isn't created
>>>> until the end.
>>>>
>>>> Some potential RFEs ... none of which I have the skill to implement.
>>>>
>>>> /Mike
>>>>
>>>> On Friday, December 18, 2020 at 12:18:14 AM UTC-4 Mark S. wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Thursday, December 17, 2020 at 7:33:30 PM UTC-8 TW Tones wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Otherwise; *accept or generate the new tiddler name before
>>>>>> $action-createtiddler *
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> This somewhat obviates the utility of the $savetitle attribute, since
>>>>> the results are not available until the containing process is completed.
>>>>>
>>>>> So, for instance, you couldn't catch use $savetitle to create a
>>>>> reference in another tiddler to the newly created tiddler until the
>>>>> process
>>>>> is done. Meaning, at best, that the user has to push a button for a
>>>>> second
>>>>> time for no apparent reason. (not apparent to the user, in any case).
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
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