Jed, Great to hear you have another contract, I too contracted for some time, and between contracts never felt like a holiday, only ever unemployment.
Never the less let is still help you prepare your infrastructure for when you do have the time. Tones On Thursday, 7 January 2021 at 06:46:32 UTC+11 inmy...@gmail.com wrote: > My next contract started up faster than expected so OokWiki is moving to > the back burner again. > I had hoped that the past few weeks would be a good time to put this > project as my priority and get it finished but without a good development > machine it wasn't going as quickly as I would have liked. > > I will be continuing work on ookwiki, but I don't have any real idea when > it will be ready. > > > On Wednesday, January 6, 2021 at 7:16:59 AM UTC+1 TW Tones wrote: > >> Jed, >> >> How much in what currency do you need for your dev computer? I do a >> small patreon monthly but clearly until others do this will not come >> quickly. >> >> I am very keen for a node multiuser implementation for the community, for >> me to host a subset of online services and develop my own comprehensive >> solutions on top of. >> >> As I said before, If you were in Australia I may be able to give you an >> old laptop (if that would do), or we find someone traveling to near you, >> who could take it. Not withstanding that If I know more about what you need >> and if you are prepared to accept feedback and requests as you progress (as >> you have done in the past for me), I would be happy to see what more I can >> contribute, because I value your solutions. >> >> What you aim to do is the "last mile" or "key gaps" currently with >> tiddlywiki as a multi-user internet/extranet or Intranet facing solution. >> >> Regards >> Tones >> >> >> On Friday, 1 January 2021 at 09:07:19 UTC+11 inmy...@gmail.com wrote: >> >>> The demo is on ookwiki.com, many of the functions aren't enabled yet. >>> The PayPal and patreon are the same as they have been for the past few >>> years, I just stopped listing them on announcements because I have gotten >>> almost no response when it comes to support through them, so I stopped >>> bothering. That is why I set up something direct with a very clear way to >>> support development and a clear result of the support. >>> >>> The links for patreon and PayPal are still in the About OokTech/Support >>> Development section of the Bob tab in the control panel, here they are >>> again: >>> >>> Patreon is https://www.patreon.com/OokTech >>> The PayPal link is >>> https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_s-xclick&hosted_button_id=ZG94CTLHTKYRE >>> >>> On Thursday, December 31, 2020 at 5:22:50 PM UTC+1 Jan wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Stobot, Hi Jed, >>>> for the friends of games: I also made a dungeon-like Wiki some time >>>> ago. >>>> I comes with an editor you can find going down the page. >>>> It would be a good idea to implement key-navigation, which was >>>> difficult at the time I did this experiment. >>>> >>>> Yours Jan >>>> >>>> >>>> Am 30.12.2020 um 16:44 schrieb Jed Carty: >>>> >>>> Stobot, >>>> >>>> I missed a lot of your message before, all my work has been on a phone, >>>> raspberry pi and a 7 year old laptop, so things are going slow. >>>> Unfortunately the lack of any help with getting a new computer means that >>>> this isn't going to change any time soon because I am not going to be able >>>> to get one myself until work picks up and then I won't have much time to >>>> devote to this. >>>> >>>> The problem with typing too quickly in when changing a tiddler directly >>>> in Bob, like changing the site title, shouldn't be a problem with more >>>> recent versions of Bob. I don't remember which version that fix was >>>> introduced in. >>>> I like the ideas of games in tiddlywiki, the first large project I did >>>> with tiddlywiki was an interactive fiction engine in tiddlywiki. It is in >>>> desperate need of an update, but it is still probably my favourite thing >>>> that I made. http://zorklike.tiddlyspot.com >>>> >>>> On Monday, December 28, 2020 at 4:09:44 PM UTC+1 Jed Carty wrote: >>>> >>>>> A quick update: >>>>> I have a demo up (shh, its a secret but you may be able to guess the >>>>> url). I haven't enabled creating accounts yet because there is still a >>>>> lot >>>>> of administrative UI that I need to work out. >>>>> It is running on a digital ocean droplet with apache and passenger >>>>> handling the bits that they handle. >>>>> Once I get the temporary accounts set up I will open that up so people >>>>> can play with it a bit. >>>>> >>>>> Stobot, >>>>> >>>>> I don't think that is taking the idea too far, considering that is one >>>>> of my big motivations for doing this. I maintained the wiki reference >>>>> wiki >>>>> for a while but it was only me and I got distracted by other things, so >>>>> having something community owned where multiple people can edit and >>>>> maintain it is one of the prime motivators. >>>>> I have lots of ideas about how to use this to help package and >>>>> distribute plugins in a way that allows far more collaboration and >>>>> community assistance than is currently available to people who aren't >>>>> familiar with GitHub and other coding tools. I want things like community >>>>> documentation and translations for plugins when there is a need, and this >>>>> could lower the barrier to entry for contributing by a lot. >>>>> >>>>> On Sunday, December 27, 2020 at 5:59:21 PM UTC+1 Stobot wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Jed, >>>>>> >>>>>> I don't want to take the idea too far, but if we were going to have a >>>>>> community-run TiddlySpot-like option available (OokTech) - I wonder if >>>>>> we >>>>>> could also cover / expand on what things like TiddlyTools used to be >>>>>> (and I >>>>>> assume still is for TWC) for the community? The "TiddlyWiki toolmap" in >>>>>> Dynalist from David, and the "scripts" area that Mohammad maintains are >>>>>> fantastic and I'm appreciative that someone puts all the effort into >>>>>> maintaining them. But, most other software has an unofficial plugin >>>>>> forum >>>>>> or something where all authors can post to, get feedback on, and users >>>>>> can >>>>>> vote - or we can see download count - or something else to rank / >>>>>> evaluate >>>>>> them for newer users that don't spend time every day combing through >>>>>> Google >>>>>> Groups like us addicts :) Loft goal, but could be a big step in the >>>>>> maturity of the platform to have something like this available, and this >>>>>> OokWiki could be the technology that could finally make that happen. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sunday, December 27, 2020 at 6:14:20 AM UTC-5 Yann Moudet wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hello, >>>>>>> we use tiddlywiki + BOB as a knolewdge base for our team. >>>>>>> Our configuration: >>>>>>> - a linux server with node (LTS versions). >>>>>>> - oauth2-proxy: for authentication, Reverse-Proxy and SSL >>>>>>> termination. >>>>>>> - an S3 bucket for storing wiki. (versioning enabled). >>>>>>> - TiddlyWiki plugins: Bob, Comments and CheckList. >>>>>>> I could provision a demo server with this configuration and/or lend >>>>>>> a server for 6 months as a first lease. For the second option, I would >>>>>>> need >>>>>>> a public key and a wished configuration. >>>>>>> Yann >>>>>>> Le mercredi 23 décembre 2020 à 14:25:38 UTC+1, Stobot a écrit : >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Jed, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I'm very excited to hear that this continues to develop - thank >>>>>>>> you! I continue to believe that easy multi-user is a key pillar to >>>>>>>> growing >>>>>>>> TiddlyWiki usage and adoption overall. As a fan of TiddlyWiki I am >>>>>>>> happy to >>>>>>>> help anyway I can to support it's long-term health. To that end, I've >>>>>>>> been >>>>>>>> going to your https://github.com/OokTech/TW5-BobEXE/releases page >>>>>>>> about weekly hoping to see something new - now realizing that there >>>>>>>> were >>>>>>>> updates being posted elsewhere. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> As you reference learning about use-cases from Google Groups here, >>>>>>>> I'll share a bit about how I'm currently using BOB, and have been >>>>>>>> hoping to >>>>>>>> use it in the future. My most elaborate usage has been around project >>>>>>>> management. I run a project management team of about 40 project >>>>>>>> managers. >>>>>>>> Each project has multiple team members, and there are levels of >>>>>>>> approvals >>>>>>>> needed, as progress ties into people's bonus plans. We use a custom >>>>>>>> blend >>>>>>>> of Six Sigma, Lean and a couple of other methodologies to track our >>>>>>>> projects. So, I've setup a BOB on a spare laptop inside the corporate >>>>>>>> network and built out something for everyone to use / collaborate >>>>>>>> with. I >>>>>>>> have a business background, not a web / programmer background, so I >>>>>>>> struggled through inventing a login process that was relatively easy >>>>>>>> from >>>>>>>> my standpoint, but totally insecure. Essentially I gave them a url >>>>>>>> suffix >>>>>>>> to access the site which is referenced as their username. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> From a functionality standpoint, this works - most of the time. BOB >>>>>>>> does glitch a bit if you go into / out of edit-mode too fast (as an >>>>>>>> example, even in the info area where you enter your starting tiddlers, >>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>> have to type VERY slowly or it leaves out some of the characters). >>>>>>>> Running >>>>>>>> from a laptop to host works okay generally, except in my company they >>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>> all these forced updates that give a couple of hours notice, so that >>>>>>>> laptop >>>>>>>> needs to be rebooted fairly frequently, and does so automatically. Of >>>>>>>> course to the end-user, that means the "server is down" frequently >>>>>>>> which >>>>>>>> comes off as unprofessional and unstable. This is an area that OokWiki >>>>>>>> would help with. Additionally, I'm giving out a local address (10.xxx) >>>>>>>> which means that although most of my team can work remotely and >>>>>>>> off-network, they're having to login to VPN to access it, which is >>>>>>>> somewhat >>>>>>>> annoying to them. By contrast for instance, any of us that are using >>>>>>>> TiddlyWiki for personal use are hosting as .aspx on SharePoint (WebDAV >>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>> think) and able to work completely "off-network". That last >>>>>>>> distinction >>>>>>>> also means that they all have access to their personal wikis on their >>>>>>>> phones, but not BOB. This is another area I'm hoping OokWiki can help >>>>>>>> with. >>>>>>>> Actually now that I think of it, another hurdle is that we've recently >>>>>>>> adopted Microsoft Teams extensively, and you can add web tabs as long >>>>>>>> as >>>>>>>> they have https: prefixes - so again SharePoint ones can be added, but >>>>>>>> not >>>>>>>> 10.xxx addresses. I'm hoping OokWiki can help there too - I've tweaked >>>>>>>> my >>>>>>>> current theme to look very Microsoft-y to ease transition for my team. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Anyways, those should help make clear some of the things I hope the >>>>>>>> evolution of BOB will help me solve someday. I will say that we used >>>>>>>> this >>>>>>>> system for a couple of months, but after a network issue caused us to >>>>>>>> not >>>>>>>> use the LAN for a couple of weeks, many transitioned back to previous >>>>>>>> methods of tracking, so we're currently not using it unfortunately. >>>>>>>> I've >>>>>>>> been hoping that BOB would make some more progress before I >>>>>>>> re-introduce it >>>>>>>> to the team. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Aside from all of that, I've been thinking of various ways I could >>>>>>>> invest some of my time into helping the TiddlyWiki community. One was >>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>> see if adding some beginner-intermediate YouTube videos for how I use >>>>>>>> TiddlyWiki. I think the more the better in this area for user >>>>>>>> adoption. A >>>>>>>> second way to really highlight how game-changing BOB is was to start >>>>>>>> building Games for BOB - which is what I hope to do over the coming >>>>>>>> weeks / >>>>>>>> months! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Games for BOB: My family (wife and 2 kids aged 13 and 10) are all >>>>>>>> stuck at home pretty much full time at this point. We play a good >>>>>>>> number of >>>>>>>> board / card games - which we enjoy. I tested the idea of building >>>>>>>> games in >>>>>>>> BOB and having them all login and they're loving it so far (wife >>>>>>>> mainly >>>>>>>> rolls her eyes). Using hidden tiddlers and just wiki-text you can get >>>>>>>> pretty far. My plan is to build out some really basic versions of >>>>>>>> these >>>>>>>> games and post them back here to give further (and fun) use cases for >>>>>>>> real-time multi-user platforms like BOB. My test case was a >>>>>>>> tic-tac-toe, >>>>>>>> but have plans for increasingly challenging games. I think most card >>>>>>>> games, >>>>>>>> and even things like checkers / chess should be not too bad. I have no >>>>>>>> intention of building a "computer" player as that would drastically >>>>>>>> make >>>>>>>> the code harder, but for in-house simple games, I think it'll be >>>>>>>> really fun >>>>>>>> - they can play from their tablets / phones - which they love :) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Anyways Jed - your post was part announcement, part asking for >>>>>>>> help. I can help a bit financially, but don't know if I have the >>>>>>>> technical >>>>>>>> skill you need from that end. I will however continue to be a promoter >>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>> your efforts! Let me know how I can help. >>>>>>>> On Tuesday, December 22, 2020 at 8:04:05 PM UTC-5 TW Tones wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Jed, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thanks for your work, this is very exciting. I would be happy to >>>>>>>>> help with Windows configuration issues, but if the setup is only in >>>>>>>>> Linux >>>>>>>>> It may be hard for me to work it out. Although I know how to do Bob >>>>>>>>> node on >>>>>>>>> widows already, if I need only implement additional features. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I continue to contribute by Patrion and hope others do so as well. >>>>>>>>> Your solutions fill a gap in TiddlyWiki when it comes to serious >>>>>>>>> multi-user >>>>>>>>> wikis. This is a substantial feature release, thank you. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I would be keen to implement it on my LAN and possibly through my >>>>>>>>> Home firewall if possible in time, I can use docker and other >>>>>>>>> solutions by >>>>>>>>> do not know about digital ocean droplet, and I have cpanel apache >>>>>>>>> services >>>>>>>>> online and possibly even nodeJS and would love to configure a server >>>>>>>>> as >>>>>>>>> well. It would be great to be able to develop and have the results >>>>>>>>> securely >>>>>>>>> online. I would fund an Australian host on top of my Hosting services >>>>>>>>> if I >>>>>>>>> can set it up. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> It is sad you are not based in Sydney because I may be able to >>>>>>>>> give you a laptop computer for this. My condolences on the loss of >>>>>>>>> your >>>>>>>>> current one. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Best wishes for the season. >>>>>>>>> Tones >>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, 22 December 2020 at 21:05:17 UTC+11 inmy...@gmail.com >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hello all, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The short version: I have a potential replacement for tiddlyspot >>>>>>>>>> that could be distributed and self-hosted on something small like a >>>>>>>>>> digital >>>>>>>>>> ocean droplet. My computer died and help getting a new one would >>>>>>>>>> greatly >>>>>>>>>> speed up the development and release. >>>>>>>>>> I think that a community managed public server is a good idea, >>>>>>>>>> and it is designed so that you can create your own private server. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The long version: >>>>>>>>>> I made a server that works with Bob and TiddlyWiki that adds a >>>>>>>>>> secure token-based login that is appropriate for having a web-facing >>>>>>>>>> server. I have been working on this periodically for a while, some >>>>>>>>>> of you >>>>>>>>>> may have seen it when I had Ooktech.xyz up. I have been working on >>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>> periodically for a long time and it is very close to ready for >>>>>>>>>> public >>>>>>>>>> release. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The problem is that an adorable kitten decided that dancing on my >>>>>>>>>> multiprise was a good idea and after some impressive sparks the >>>>>>>>>> computer I >>>>>>>>>> do my development on is dead. The kitten is fine and acts adorably >>>>>>>>>> innocent. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The server has all the features of Bob (multiple wikis, >>>>>>>>>> everything configured from within the wiki itself, support for >>>>>>>>>> multiple >>>>>>>>>> simultaneous users), as well as a secure login using JWT (json web >>>>>>>>>> tokens). >>>>>>>>>> Accounts have granular permissions which can be set, there many but >>>>>>>>>> here is >>>>>>>>>> a quick incomplete description of what you can do, in no real order. >>>>>>>>>> Server >>>>>>>>>> administrators can enable or disable almost all of these features if >>>>>>>>>> they >>>>>>>>>> are not useful for your purposes. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> - A simple script to run that sets everything up >>>>>>>>>> - Publicly viewable or private wikis >>>>>>>>>> - Allow specific people to view or edit a wiki >>>>>>>>>> - If an account owns a wiki they can set permissions on their own >>>>>>>>>> wikis >>>>>>>>>> - optional quotas for accounts both in terms of number of wikis >>>>>>>>>> and storage >>>>>>>>>> - A plugin library built into the server >>>>>>>>>> - Access controls for plugins as well (so plugins can be used to >>>>>>>>>> distribute content >>>>>>>>>> without making it public) >>>>>>>>>> - Simple 1-click download for wikis as a single-file without Bob >>>>>>>>>> - profiles/accounts and wikis can be set as private so on one can >>>>>>>>>> see them >>>>>>>>>> - Create an account on the server from a wiki >>>>>>>>>> - update passwords and other account information from inside a >>>>>>>>>> wiki >>>>>>>>>> - accounts can have some 'about me' information, if they want >>>>>>>>>> to set it >>>>>>>>>> - Set if an account can create wikis >>>>>>>>>> - namespaces wikis (if I create a wiki called MyWiki it would be >>>>>>>>>> inmysocks/MyWiki) so >>>>>>>>>> that there are no naming conflicts >>>>>>>>>> - change ownership of a wiki (give a wiki to someone else) >>>>>>>>>> - inter-wiki federation, like chat and sharing tiddlers between >>>>>>>>>> wikis >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> There are many other details about administrator controls, but >>>>>>>>>> those are I think the highlights for using the server. Almost all of >>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>> is implemented, I am in the process of adding usable in-wiki >>>>>>>>>> interfaces for >>>>>>>>>> all of it. >>>>>>>>>> The setup script is only currently for linux and osx, I would >>>>>>>>>> need someone who is familiar with windows to make that if anyone >>>>>>>>>> wants it. >>>>>>>>>> Hosting online is generally linux so I am not sure how much it would >>>>>>>>>> be >>>>>>>>>> needed. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> My plan is to put up a demo site as soon as I can that has >>>>>>>>>> limited life-time accounts to show the features. You could create an >>>>>>>>>> account that lasts a day and after the account and wikis with it are >>>>>>>>>> removed. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I am not interested in hosting and running this myself, it would >>>>>>>>>> be a community with community governance supported by donations. I >>>>>>>>>> do not >>>>>>>>>> know the demands that would be put on it, but I don't think that the >>>>>>>>>> hosting costs would be more than about $100/month. >>>>>>>>>> I would of course continue updating the server, but maintenance >>>>>>>>>> and operation must be a group effort so we don't get a situation >>>>>>>>>> like >>>>>>>>>> tiddlyspot where we rely on two people who may not be active members >>>>>>>>>> of the >>>>>>>>>> community and we have no way to shift ownership for continued >>>>>>>>>> operation. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I don't know what interest there is in this, so I am going to >>>>>>>>>> gauge that from the response to this post. Also, help with getting a >>>>>>>>>> development computer would speed things up a lot. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> A link to the amazon wishilst for the computer components: >>>>>>>>>> https://www.amazon.fr/hz/wishlist/ls/2WM0S9VV3LJR1?ref_=wl_share >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ps: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> There are a lot of future features that I am working on, like the >>>>>>>>>> ability to search multiple wikis from one wiki, inter-server >>>>>>>>>> federation so >>>>>>>>>> you can have your own private server and interact with other >>>>>>>>>> servers, >>>>>>>>>> having a login on one server that lets you access wikis on other >>>>>>>>>> servers, >>>>>>>>>> things like that. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>> >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to tiddlywiki+...@googlegroups.com. >>>> >>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/d79dfc7f-5eae-4fb9-a7ec-eb1daece6d76n%40googlegroups.com >>>> >>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/d79dfc7f-5eae-4fb9-a7ec-eb1daece6d76n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>> . >>>> >>>> >>>> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. 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