Stobot, I missed a lot of your message before, all my work has been on a phone, raspberry pi and a 7 year old laptop, so things are going slow. Unfortunately the lack of any help with getting a new computer means that this isn't going to change any time soon because I am not going to be able to get one myself until work picks up and then I won't have much time to devote to this.
The problem with typing too quickly in when changing a tiddler directly in Bob, like changing the site title, shouldn't be a problem with more recent versions of Bob. I don't remember which version that fix was introduced in. I like the ideas of games in tiddlywiki, the first large project I did with tiddlywiki was an interactive fiction engine in tiddlywiki. It is in desperate need of an update, but it is still probably my favourite thing that I made. http://zorklike.tiddlyspot.com On Monday, December 28, 2020 at 4:09:44 PM UTC+1 Jed Carty wrote: > A quick update: > I have a demo up (shh, its a secret but you may be able to guess the url). > I haven't enabled creating accounts yet because there is still a lot of > administrative UI that I need to work out. > It is running on a digital ocean droplet with apache and passenger > handling the bits that they handle. > Once I get the temporary accounts set up I will open that up so people can > play with it a bit. > > Stobot, > > I don't think that is taking the idea too far, considering that is one of > my big motivations for doing this. I maintained the wiki reference wiki for > a while but it was only me and I got distracted by other things, so having > something community owned where multiple people can edit and maintain it is > one of the prime motivators. > I have lots of ideas about how to use this to help package and distribute > plugins in a way that allows far more collaboration and community > assistance than is currently available to people who aren't familiar with > GitHub and other coding tools. I want things like community documentation > and translations for plugins when there is a need, and this could lower the > barrier to entry for contributing by a lot. > > On Sunday, December 27, 2020 at 5:59:21 PM UTC+1 Stobot wrote: > >> Jed, >> >> I don't want to take the idea too far, but if we were going to have a >> community-run TiddlySpot-like option available (OokTech) - I wonder if we >> could also cover / expand on what things like TiddlyTools used to be (and I >> assume still is for TWC) for the community? The "TiddlyWiki toolmap" in >> Dynalist from David, and the "scripts" area that Mohammad maintains are >> fantastic and I'm appreciative that someone puts all the effort into >> maintaining them. But, most other software has an unofficial plugin forum >> or something where all authors can post to, get feedback on, and users can >> vote - or we can see download count - or something else to rank / evaluate >> them for newer users that don't spend time every day combing through Google >> Groups like us addicts :) Loft goal, but could be a big step in the >> maturity of the platform to have something like this available, and this >> OokWiki could be the technology that could finally make that happen. >> >> On Sunday, December 27, 2020 at 6:14:20 AM UTC-5 Yann Moudet wrote: >> >>> Hello, >>> we use tiddlywiki + BOB as a knolewdge base for our team. >>> Our configuration: >>> - a linux server with node (LTS versions). >>> - oauth2-proxy: for authentication, Reverse-Proxy and SSL termination. >>> - an S3 bucket for storing wiki. (versioning enabled). >>> - TiddlyWiki plugins: Bob, Comments and CheckList. >>> I could provision a demo server with this configuration and/or lend a >>> server for 6 months as a first lease. For the second option, I would need a >>> public key and a wished configuration. >>> Yann >>> Le mercredi 23 décembre 2020 à 14:25:38 UTC+1, Stobot a écrit : >>> >>>> Jed, >>>> >>>> I'm very excited to hear that this continues to develop - thank you! I >>>> continue to believe that easy multi-user is a key pillar to growing >>>> TiddlyWiki usage and adoption overall. As a fan of TiddlyWiki I am happy >>>> to >>>> help anyway I can to support it's long-term health. To that end, I've been >>>> going to your https://github.com/OokTech/TW5-BobEXE/releases page >>>> about weekly hoping to see something new - now realizing that there were >>>> updates being posted elsewhere. >>>> >>>> As you reference learning about use-cases from Google Groups here, I'll >>>> share a bit about how I'm currently using BOB, and have been hoping to use >>>> it in the future. My most elaborate usage has been around project >>>> management. I run a project management team of about 40 project managers. >>>> Each project has multiple team members, and there are levels of approvals >>>> needed, as progress ties into people's bonus plans. We use a custom blend >>>> of Six Sigma, Lean and a couple of other methodologies to track our >>>> projects. So, I've setup a BOB on a spare laptop inside the corporate >>>> network and built out something for everyone to use / collaborate with. I >>>> have a business background, not a web / programmer background, so I >>>> struggled through inventing a login process that was relatively easy from >>>> my standpoint, but totally insecure. Essentially I gave them a url suffix >>>> to access the site which is referenced as their username. >>>> >>>> From a functionality standpoint, this works - most of the time. BOB >>>> does glitch a bit if you go into / out of edit-mode too fast (as an >>>> example, even in the info area where you enter your starting tiddlers, you >>>> have to type VERY slowly or it leaves out some of the characters). Running >>>> from a laptop to host works okay generally, except in my company they have >>>> all these forced updates that give a couple of hours notice, so that >>>> laptop >>>> needs to be rebooted fairly frequently, and does so automatically. Of >>>> course to the end-user, that means the "server is down" frequently which >>>> comes off as unprofessional and unstable. This is an area that OokWiki >>>> would help with. Additionally, I'm giving out a local address (10.xxx) >>>> which means that although most of my team can work remotely and >>>> off-network, they're having to login to VPN to access it, which is >>>> somewhat >>>> annoying to them. By contrast for instance, any of us that are using >>>> TiddlyWiki for personal use are hosting as .aspx on SharePoint (WebDAV I >>>> think) and able to work completely "off-network". That last distinction >>>> also means that they all have access to their personal wikis on their >>>> phones, but not BOB. This is another area I'm hoping OokWiki can help >>>> with. >>>> Actually now that I think of it, another hurdle is that we've recently >>>> adopted Microsoft Teams extensively, and you can add web tabs as long as >>>> they have https: prefixes - so again SharePoint ones can be added, but not >>>> 10.xxx addresses. I'm hoping OokWiki can help there too - I've tweaked my >>>> current theme to look very Microsoft-y to ease transition for my team. >>>> >>>> Anyways, those should help make clear some of the things I hope the >>>> evolution of BOB will help me solve someday. I will say that we used this >>>> system for a couple of months, but after a network issue caused us to not >>>> use the LAN for a couple of weeks, many transitioned back to previous >>>> methods of tracking, so we're currently not using it unfortunately. I've >>>> been hoping that BOB would make some more progress before I re-introduce >>>> it >>>> to the team. >>>> >>>> Aside from all of that, I've been thinking of various ways I could >>>> invest some of my time into helping the TiddlyWiki community. One was to >>>> see if adding some beginner-intermediate YouTube videos for how I use >>>> TiddlyWiki. I think the more the better in this area for user adoption. A >>>> second way to really highlight how game-changing BOB is was to start >>>> building Games for BOB - which is what I hope to do over the coming weeks >>>> / >>>> months! >>>> >>>> Games for BOB: My family (wife and 2 kids aged 13 and 10) are all stuck >>>> at home pretty much full time at this point. We play a good number of >>>> board >>>> / card games - which we enjoy. I tested the idea of building games in BOB >>>> and having them all login and they're loving it so far (wife mainly rolls >>>> her eyes). Using hidden tiddlers and just wiki-text you can get pretty >>>> far. >>>> My plan is to build out some really basic versions of these games and post >>>> them back here to give further (and fun) use cases for real-time >>>> multi-user >>>> platforms like BOB. My test case was a tic-tac-toe, but have plans for >>>> increasingly challenging games. I think most card games, and even things >>>> like checkers / chess should be not too bad. I have no intention of >>>> building a "computer" player as that would drastically make the code >>>> harder, but for in-house simple games, I think it'll be really fun - they >>>> can play from their tablets / phones - which they love :) >>>> >>>> Anyways Jed - your post was part announcement, part asking for help. I >>>> can help a bit financially, but don't know if I have the technical skill >>>> you need from that end. I will however continue to be a promoter of your >>>> efforts! Let me know how I can help. >>>> On Tuesday, December 22, 2020 at 8:04:05 PM UTC-5 TW Tones wrote: >>>> >>>>> Jed, >>>>> >>>>> Thanks for your work, this is very exciting. I would be happy to help >>>>> with Windows configuration issues, but if the setup is only in Linux It >>>>> may >>>>> be hard for me to work it out. Although I know how to do Bob node on >>>>> widows >>>>> already, if I need only implement additional features. >>>>> >>>>> I continue to contribute by Patrion and hope others do so as well. >>>>> Your solutions fill a gap in TiddlyWiki when it comes to serious >>>>> multi-user >>>>> wikis. This is a substantial feature release, thank you. >>>>> >>>>> I would be keen to implement it on my LAN and possibly through my Home >>>>> firewall if possible in time, I can use docker and other solutions by do >>>>> not know about digital ocean droplet, and I have cpanel apache services >>>>> online and possibly even nodeJS and would love to configure a server as >>>>> well. It would be great to be able to develop and have the results >>>>> securely >>>>> online. I would fund an Australian host on top of my Hosting services if >>>>> I >>>>> can set it up. >>>>> >>>>> It is sad you are not based in Sydney because I may be able to give >>>>> you a laptop computer for this. My condolences on the loss of your >>>>> current >>>>> one. >>>>> >>>>> Best wishes for the season. >>>>> Tones >>>>> On Tuesday, 22 December 2020 at 21:05:17 UTC+11 [email protected] >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hello all, >>>>>> >>>>>> The short version: I have a potential replacement for tiddlyspot that >>>>>> could be distributed and self-hosted on something small like a digital >>>>>> ocean droplet. My computer died and help getting a new one would greatly >>>>>> speed up the development and release. >>>>>> I think that a community managed public server is a good idea, and it >>>>>> is designed so that you can create your own private server. >>>>>> >>>>>> The long version: >>>>>> I made a server that works with Bob and TiddlyWiki that adds a secure >>>>>> token-based login that is appropriate for having a web-facing server. I >>>>>> have been working on this periodically for a while, some of you may have >>>>>> seen it when I had Ooktech.xyz up. I have been working on it >>>>>> periodically >>>>>> for a long time and it is very close to ready for public release. >>>>>> >>>>>> The problem is that an adorable kitten decided that dancing on my >>>>>> multiprise was a good idea and after some impressive sparks the computer >>>>>> I >>>>>> do my development on is dead. The kitten is fine and acts adorably >>>>>> innocent. >>>>>> >>>>>> The server has all the features of Bob (multiple wikis, everything >>>>>> configured from within the wiki itself, support for multiple >>>>>> simultaneous >>>>>> users), as well as a secure login using JWT (json web tokens). Accounts >>>>>> have granular permissions which can be set, there many but here is a >>>>>> quick >>>>>> incomplete description of what you can do, in no real order. Server >>>>>> administrators can enable or disable almost all of these features if >>>>>> they >>>>>> are not useful for your purposes. >>>>>> >>>>>> - A simple script to run that sets everything up >>>>>> - Publicly viewable or private wikis >>>>>> - Allow specific people to view or edit a wiki >>>>>> - If an account owns a wiki they can set permissions on their own >>>>>> wikis >>>>>> - optional quotas for accounts both in terms of number of wikis and >>>>>> storage >>>>>> - A plugin library built into the server >>>>>> - Access controls for plugins as well (so plugins can be used to >>>>>> distribute content >>>>>> without making it public) >>>>>> - Simple 1-click download for wikis as a single-file without Bob >>>>>> - profiles/accounts and wikis can be set as private so on one can see >>>>>> them >>>>>> - Create an account on the server from a wiki >>>>>> - update passwords and other account information from inside a wiki >>>>>> - accounts can have some 'about me' information, if they want to >>>>>> set it >>>>>> - Set if an account can create wikis >>>>>> - namespaces wikis (if I create a wiki called MyWiki it would be >>>>>> inmysocks/MyWiki) so >>>>>> that there are no naming conflicts >>>>>> - change ownership of a wiki (give a wiki to someone else) >>>>>> - inter-wiki federation, like chat and sharing tiddlers between wikis >>>>>> >>>>>> There are many other details about administrator controls, but those >>>>>> are I think the highlights for using the server. Almost all of that is >>>>>> implemented, I am in the process of adding usable in-wiki interfaces for >>>>>> all of it. >>>>>> The setup script is only currently for linux and osx, I would need >>>>>> someone who is familiar with windows to make that if anyone wants it. >>>>>> Hosting online is generally linux so I am not sure how much it would be >>>>>> needed. >>>>>> >>>>>> My plan is to put up a demo site as soon as I can that has limited >>>>>> life-time accounts to show the features. You could create an account >>>>>> that >>>>>> lasts a day and after the account and wikis with it are removed. >>>>>> >>>>>> I am not interested in hosting and running this myself, it would be a >>>>>> community with community governance supported by donations. I do not >>>>>> know >>>>>> the demands that would be put on it, but I don't think that the hosting >>>>>> costs would be more than about $100/month. >>>>>> I would of course continue updating the server, but maintenance and >>>>>> operation must be a group effort so we don't get a situation like >>>>>> tiddlyspot where we rely on two people who may not be active members of >>>>>> the >>>>>> community and we have no way to shift ownership for continued operation. >>>>>> >>>>>> I don't know what interest there is in this, so I am going to gauge >>>>>> that from the response to this post. Also, help with getting a >>>>>> development >>>>>> computer would speed things up a lot. >>>>>> >>>>>> A link to the amazon wishilst for the computer components: >>>>>> https://www.amazon.fr/hz/wishlist/ls/2WM0S9VV3LJR1?ref_=wl_share >>>>>> >>>>>> ps: >>>>>> >>>>>> There are a lot of future features that I am working on, like the >>>>>> ability to search multiple wikis from one wiki, inter-server federation >>>>>> so >>>>>> you can have your own private server and interact with other servers, >>>>>> having a login on one server that lets you access wikis on other >>>>>> servers, >>>>>> things like that. >>>>>> >>>>> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/d79dfc7f-5eae-4fb9-a7ec-eb1daece6d76n%40googlegroups.com.
