Thanks Jed. I tried to work my way through the French site, but was scary clicking buttons concerning logins / payments without understanding it. Note that a chunk of your stuff is not available anymore (had $50+ delivery fees or different model numbers) or was out of my price range, I sent a contribution through PayPal - I hope it makes it way to you.
Thanks for the new version posted - works great so far, will keep testing! I'm going to try and focus on 2+ player games that can "only be played on BOB" - 1 down (tic-tac-toe which is simple to program, not that much fun though), will add a few more before I make a post on it. On Wednesday, December 30, 2020 at 5:47:06 PM UTC-5 inmy...@gmail.com wrote: > The very incomplete demo is up on ookwiki.com > <https://ookwiki.com/#Hello!!>, it has a link to the Wishlist for the > computer components and screenshots showing how to use the Wishlist on the > French amazon site. > > I will update the site as I make progress and write more documentation. > > I am also going to use it to make announcements about Bob and other > tiddlywiki things that I do. > > On Wednesday, December 30, 2020 at 6:19:18 PM UTC+1 Stobot wrote: > >> Jed, >> >> I tried to visit your Amazon wish list but it's in French and despite >> being Canadian, I don't have enough to figure it out - sorry. Are you able >> to generate an english link, or would you prefer patreon / paypal? (don't >> know how much they take off the top) >> >> I'm excited to try the new versions - I also commented over on that >> thread ( >> https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki/c/VBATEGCKPqw/m/hMvu80BfBgAJ) >> that the only Windows version download I can find (the 1.7) doesn't work - >> much more details, screenshots, debug notes etc. are posted there. For now, >> I can't test the updates. >> >> I'll give your "zorklike" game a try - thanks for passing along! As I >> have time I'll tinker with it. My hope is that it spurs further interest in >> BOB which brings help and/or resources to the multi-user effort. >> >> On Wednesday, December 30, 2020 at 10:44:22 AM UTC-5 inmy...@gmail.com >> wrote: >> >>> Stobot, >>> >>> I missed a lot of your message before, all my work has been on a phone, >>> raspberry pi and a 7 year old laptop, so things are going slow. >>> Unfortunately the lack of any help with getting a new computer means that >>> this isn't going to change any time soon because I am not going to be able >>> to get one myself until work picks up and then I won't have much time to >>> devote to this. >>> >>> The problem with typing too quickly in when changing a tiddler directly >>> in Bob, like changing the site title, shouldn't be a problem with more >>> recent versions of Bob. I don't remember which version that fix was >>> introduced in. >>> I like the ideas of games in tiddlywiki, the first large project I did >>> with tiddlywiki was an interactive fiction engine in tiddlywiki. It is in >>> desperate need of an update, but it is still probably my favourite thing >>> that I made. http://zorklike.tiddlyspot.com >>> >>> On Monday, December 28, 2020 at 4:09:44 PM UTC+1 Jed Carty wrote: >>> >>>> A quick update: >>>> I have a demo up (shh, its a secret but you may be able to guess the >>>> url). I haven't enabled creating accounts yet because there is still a lot >>>> of administrative UI that I need to work out. >>>> It is running on a digital ocean droplet with apache and passenger >>>> handling the bits that they handle. >>>> Once I get the temporary accounts set up I will open that up so people >>>> can play with it a bit. >>>> >>>> Stobot, >>>> >>>> I don't think that is taking the idea too far, considering that is one >>>> of my big motivations for doing this. I maintained the wiki reference wiki >>>> for a while but it was only me and I got distracted by other things, so >>>> having something community owned where multiple people can edit and >>>> maintain it is one of the prime motivators. >>>> I have lots of ideas about how to use this to help package and >>>> distribute plugins in a way that allows far more collaboration and >>>> community assistance than is currently available to people who aren't >>>> familiar with GitHub and other coding tools. I want things like community >>>> documentation and translations for plugins when there is a need, and this >>>> could lower the barrier to entry for contributing by a lot. >>>> >>>> On Sunday, December 27, 2020 at 5:59:21 PM UTC+1 Stobot wrote: >>>> >>>>> Jed, >>>>> >>>>> I don't want to take the idea too far, but if we were going to have a >>>>> community-run TiddlySpot-like option available (OokTech) - I wonder if we >>>>> could also cover / expand on what things like TiddlyTools used to be (and >>>>> I >>>>> assume still is for TWC) for the community? The "TiddlyWiki toolmap" in >>>>> Dynalist from David, and the "scripts" area that Mohammad maintains are >>>>> fantastic and I'm appreciative that someone puts all the effort into >>>>> maintaining them. But, most other software has an unofficial plugin forum >>>>> or something where all authors can post to, get feedback on, and users >>>>> can >>>>> vote - or we can see download count - or something else to rank / >>>>> evaluate >>>>> them for newer users that don't spend time every day combing through >>>>> Google >>>>> Groups like us addicts :) Loft goal, but could be a big step in the >>>>> maturity of the platform to have something like this available, and this >>>>> OokWiki could be the technology that could finally make that happen. >>>>> >>>>> On Sunday, December 27, 2020 at 6:14:20 AM UTC-5 Yann Moudet wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hello, >>>>>> we use tiddlywiki + BOB as a knolewdge base for our team. >>>>>> Our configuration: >>>>>> - a linux server with node (LTS versions). >>>>>> - oauth2-proxy: for authentication, Reverse-Proxy and SSL >>>>>> termination. >>>>>> - an S3 bucket for storing wiki. (versioning enabled). >>>>>> - TiddlyWiki plugins: Bob, Comments and CheckList. >>>>>> I could provision a demo server with this configuration and/or lend a >>>>>> server for 6 months as a first lease. For the second option, I would >>>>>> need a >>>>>> public key and a wished configuration. >>>>>> Yann >>>>>> Le mercredi 23 décembre 2020 à 14:25:38 UTC+1, Stobot a écrit : >>>>>> >>>>>>> Jed, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm very excited to hear that this continues to develop - thank you! >>>>>>> I continue to believe that easy multi-user is a key pillar to growing >>>>>>> TiddlyWiki usage and adoption overall. As a fan of TiddlyWiki I am >>>>>>> happy to >>>>>>> help anyway I can to support it's long-term health. To that end, I've >>>>>>> been >>>>>>> going to your https://github.com/OokTech/TW5-BobEXE/releases page >>>>>>> about weekly hoping to see something new - now realizing that there >>>>>>> were >>>>>>> updates being posted elsewhere. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> As you reference learning about use-cases from Google Groups here, >>>>>>> I'll share a bit about how I'm currently using BOB, and have been >>>>>>> hoping to >>>>>>> use it in the future. My most elaborate usage has been around project >>>>>>> management. I run a project management team of about 40 project >>>>>>> managers. >>>>>>> Each project has multiple team members, and there are levels of >>>>>>> approvals >>>>>>> needed, as progress ties into people's bonus plans. We use a custom >>>>>>> blend >>>>>>> of Six Sigma, Lean and a couple of other methodologies to track our >>>>>>> projects. So, I've setup a BOB on a spare laptop inside the corporate >>>>>>> network and built out something for everyone to use / collaborate with. >>>>>>> I >>>>>>> have a business background, not a web / programmer background, so I >>>>>>> struggled through inventing a login process that was relatively easy >>>>>>> from >>>>>>> my standpoint, but totally insecure. Essentially I gave them a url >>>>>>> suffix >>>>>>> to access the site which is referenced as their username. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> From a functionality standpoint, this works - most of the time. BOB >>>>>>> does glitch a bit if you go into / out of edit-mode too fast (as an >>>>>>> example, even in the info area where you enter your starting tiddlers, >>>>>>> you >>>>>>> have to type VERY slowly or it leaves out some of the characters). >>>>>>> Running >>>>>>> from a laptop to host works okay generally, except in my company they >>>>>>> have >>>>>>> all these forced updates that give a couple of hours notice, so that >>>>>>> laptop >>>>>>> needs to be rebooted fairly frequently, and does so automatically. Of >>>>>>> course to the end-user, that means the "server is down" frequently >>>>>>> which >>>>>>> comes off as unprofessional and unstable. This is an area that OokWiki >>>>>>> would help with. Additionally, I'm giving out a local address (10.xxx) >>>>>>> which means that although most of my team can work remotely and >>>>>>> off-network, they're having to login to VPN to access it, which is >>>>>>> somewhat >>>>>>> annoying to them. By contrast for instance, any of us that are using >>>>>>> TiddlyWiki for personal use are hosting as .aspx on SharePoint (WebDAV >>>>>>> I >>>>>>> think) and able to work completely "off-network". That last distinction >>>>>>> also means that they all have access to their personal wikis on their >>>>>>> phones, but not BOB. This is another area I'm hoping OokWiki can help >>>>>>> with. >>>>>>> Actually now that I think of it, another hurdle is that we've recently >>>>>>> adopted Microsoft Teams extensively, and you can add web tabs as long >>>>>>> as >>>>>>> they have https: prefixes - so again SharePoint ones can be added, but >>>>>>> not >>>>>>> 10.xxx addresses. I'm hoping OokWiki can help there too - I've tweaked >>>>>>> my >>>>>>> current theme to look very Microsoft-y to ease transition for my team. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Anyways, those should help make clear some of the things I hope the >>>>>>> evolution of BOB will help me solve someday. I will say that we used >>>>>>> this >>>>>>> system for a couple of months, but after a network issue caused us to >>>>>>> not >>>>>>> use the LAN for a couple of weeks, many transitioned back to previous >>>>>>> methods of tracking, so we're currently not using it unfortunately. >>>>>>> I've >>>>>>> been hoping that BOB would make some more progress before I >>>>>>> re-introduce it >>>>>>> to the team. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Aside from all of that, I've been thinking of various ways I could >>>>>>> invest some of my time into helping the TiddlyWiki community. One was >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> see if adding some beginner-intermediate YouTube videos for how I use >>>>>>> TiddlyWiki. I think the more the better in this area for user adoption. >>>>>>> A >>>>>>> second way to really highlight how game-changing BOB is was to start >>>>>>> building Games for BOB - which is what I hope to do over the coming >>>>>>> weeks / >>>>>>> months! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Games for BOB: My family (wife and 2 kids aged 13 and 10) are all >>>>>>> stuck at home pretty much full time at this point. We play a good >>>>>>> number of >>>>>>> board / card games - which we enjoy. I tested the idea of building >>>>>>> games in >>>>>>> BOB and having them all login and they're loving it so far (wife mainly >>>>>>> rolls her eyes). Using hidden tiddlers and just wiki-text you can get >>>>>>> pretty far. My plan is to build out some really basic versions of these >>>>>>> games and post them back here to give further (and fun) use cases for >>>>>>> real-time multi-user platforms like BOB. My test case was a >>>>>>> tic-tac-toe, >>>>>>> but have plans for increasingly challenging games. I think most card >>>>>>> games, >>>>>>> and even things like checkers / chess should be not too bad. I have no >>>>>>> intention of building a "computer" player as that would drastically >>>>>>> make >>>>>>> the code harder, but for in-house simple games, I think it'll be really >>>>>>> fun >>>>>>> - they can play from their tablets / phones - which they love :) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Anyways Jed - your post was part announcement, part asking for help. >>>>>>> I can help a bit financially, but don't know if I have the technical >>>>>>> skill >>>>>>> you need from that end. I will however continue to be a promoter of >>>>>>> your >>>>>>> efforts! Let me know how I can help. >>>>>>> On Tuesday, December 22, 2020 at 8:04:05 PM UTC-5 TW Tones wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Jed, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks for your work, this is very exciting. I would be happy to >>>>>>>> help with Windows configuration issues, but if the setup is only in >>>>>>>> Linux >>>>>>>> It may be hard for me to work it out. Although I know how to do Bob >>>>>>>> node on >>>>>>>> widows already, if I need only implement additional features. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I continue to contribute by Patrion and hope others do so as well. >>>>>>>> Your solutions fill a gap in TiddlyWiki when it comes to serious >>>>>>>> multi-user >>>>>>>> wikis. This is a substantial feature release, thank you. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I would be keen to implement it on my LAN and possibly through my >>>>>>>> Home firewall if possible in time, I can use docker and other >>>>>>>> solutions by >>>>>>>> do not know about digital ocean droplet, and I have cpanel apache >>>>>>>> services >>>>>>>> online and possibly even nodeJS and would love to configure a server >>>>>>>> as >>>>>>>> well. It would be great to be able to develop and have the results >>>>>>>> securely >>>>>>>> online. I would fund an Australian host on top of my Hosting services >>>>>>>> if I >>>>>>>> can set it up. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It is sad you are not based in Sydney because I may be able to give >>>>>>>> you a laptop computer for this. My condolences on the loss of your >>>>>>>> current >>>>>>>> one. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Best wishes for the season. >>>>>>>> Tones >>>>>>>> On Tuesday, 22 December 2020 at 21:05:17 UTC+11 inmy...@gmail.com >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hello all, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The short version: I have a potential replacement for tiddlyspot >>>>>>>>> that could be distributed and self-hosted on something small like a >>>>>>>>> digital >>>>>>>>> ocean droplet. My computer died and help getting a new one would >>>>>>>>> greatly >>>>>>>>> speed up the development and release. >>>>>>>>> I think that a community managed public server is a good idea, and >>>>>>>>> it is designed so that you can create your own private server. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The long version: >>>>>>>>> I made a server that works with Bob and TiddlyWiki that adds a >>>>>>>>> secure token-based login that is appropriate for having a web-facing >>>>>>>>> server. I have been working on this periodically for a while, some of >>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>> may have seen it when I had Ooktech.xyz up. I have been working on it >>>>>>>>> periodically for a long time and it is very close to ready for public >>>>>>>>> release. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The problem is that an adorable kitten decided that dancing on my >>>>>>>>> multiprise was a good idea and after some impressive sparks the >>>>>>>>> computer I >>>>>>>>> do my development on is dead. The kitten is fine and acts adorably >>>>>>>>> innocent. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The server has all the features of Bob (multiple wikis, everything >>>>>>>>> configured from within the wiki itself, support for multiple >>>>>>>>> simultaneous >>>>>>>>> users), as well as a secure login using JWT (json web tokens). >>>>>>>>> Accounts >>>>>>>>> have granular permissions which can be set, there many but here is a >>>>>>>>> quick >>>>>>>>> incomplete description of what you can do, in no real order. Server >>>>>>>>> administrators can enable or disable almost all of these features if >>>>>>>>> they >>>>>>>>> are not useful for your purposes. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> - A simple script to run that sets everything up >>>>>>>>> - Publicly viewable or private wikis >>>>>>>>> - Allow specific people to view or edit a wiki >>>>>>>>> - If an account owns a wiki they can set permissions on their own >>>>>>>>> wikis >>>>>>>>> - optional quotas for accounts both in terms of number of wikis >>>>>>>>> and storage >>>>>>>>> - A plugin library built into the server >>>>>>>>> - Access controls for plugins as well (so plugins can be used to >>>>>>>>> distribute content >>>>>>>>> without making it public) >>>>>>>>> - Simple 1-click download for wikis as a single-file without Bob >>>>>>>>> - profiles/accounts and wikis can be set as private so on one can >>>>>>>>> see them >>>>>>>>> - Create an account on the server from a wiki >>>>>>>>> - update passwords and other account information from inside a >>>>>>>>> wiki >>>>>>>>> - accounts can have some 'about me' information, if they want to >>>>>>>>> set it >>>>>>>>> - Set if an account can create wikis >>>>>>>>> - namespaces wikis (if I create a wiki called MyWiki it would be >>>>>>>>> inmysocks/MyWiki) so >>>>>>>>> that there are no naming conflicts >>>>>>>>> - change ownership of a wiki (give a wiki to someone else) >>>>>>>>> - inter-wiki federation, like chat and sharing tiddlers between >>>>>>>>> wikis >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> There are many other details about administrator controls, but >>>>>>>>> those are I think the highlights for using the server. Almost all of >>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>> is implemented, I am in the process of adding usable in-wiki >>>>>>>>> interfaces for >>>>>>>>> all of it. >>>>>>>>> The setup script is only currently for linux and osx, I would need >>>>>>>>> someone who is familiar with windows to make that if anyone wants it. >>>>>>>>> Hosting online is generally linux so I am not sure how much it would >>>>>>>>> be >>>>>>>>> needed. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> My plan is to put up a demo site as soon as I can that has limited >>>>>>>>> life-time accounts to show the features. You could create an account >>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>> lasts a day and after the account and wikis with it are removed. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I am not interested in hosting and running this myself, it would >>>>>>>>> be a community with community governance supported by donations. I do >>>>>>>>> not >>>>>>>>> know the demands that would be put on it, but I don't think that the >>>>>>>>> hosting costs would be more than about $100/month. >>>>>>>>> I would of course continue updating the server, but maintenance >>>>>>>>> and operation must be a group effort so we don't get a situation like >>>>>>>>> tiddlyspot where we rely on two people who may not be active members >>>>>>>>> of the >>>>>>>>> community and we have no way to shift ownership for continued >>>>>>>>> operation. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I don't know what interest there is in this, so I am going to >>>>>>>>> gauge that from the response to this post. Also, help with getting a >>>>>>>>> development computer would speed things up a lot. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> A link to the amazon wishilst for the computer components: >>>>>>>>> https://www.amazon.fr/hz/wishlist/ls/2WM0S9VV3LJR1?ref_=wl_share >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ps: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> There are a lot of future features that I am working on, like the >>>>>>>>> ability to search multiple wikis from one wiki, inter-server >>>>>>>>> federation so >>>>>>>>> you can have your own private server and interact with other servers, >>>>>>>>> having a login on one server that lets you access wikis on other >>>>>>>>> servers, >>>>>>>>> things like that. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. 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