Folks,

While on this layout question I have always felt the default in Mobile mode 
should be withe the sidebar closed or at the bottom as the footer. This is 
even more so when we now have the menu bar available.

Personally the default view on desktop does not suit me, I immediately 
switch to fixed sidebar, fluid story to make full use of the real-estate. 
So even the centred view would not suit me unless I was considering making 
use of a Left hand sideBar. I have felt since TW5 that the old TWC left 
hand side bar should also be a core option, such as having a left/sidebar 
segment and left sidebar tabs etc..., perhaps not in use but only a tag 
away.

A fully addressable page layout with elements that appear if used could be 
achieved with flex and other layout methods. The layout in the thread would 
just me one configuration in a large set of possible layouts driven purely 
by the existence of contents/tiddlers so tagged.

Regards
Tones
On Friday, 18 June 2021 at 10:29:07 UTC+10 Brian Radspinner wrote:

> I've currently got a 3-column layout going: center is the normal view 
> mode; edit mode has the preview to the left and editor in the center; 
> sidebar the right column where I often display full tiddlers side-by-side 
> with the story river.[image: 3-column_layout.png]
> On Thursday, June 17, 2021 at 5:00:01 PM UTC-7 springer wrote:
>
>> Soren and all,
>>
>> The idea of asymmetrical edit/preview panes is appealing!
>>
>> In some cases, the edit window should be relatively wide (where markup 
>> source is longer than rendered result), but in other cases, the preview 
>> actually requires much *more* space than the edit box (because of 
>> transclusions, dynamic tables, etc.). 
>>
>> I wonder how hard it would be to make the column gutter moveable, and/or 
>> to get the preview to recognize (with some quick-and-dirty approximation) 
>> what kind of ratio might be suitable.
>>
>> -Springer
>>
>> On Tuesday, June 15, 2021 at 10:44:00 PM UTC-4 Soren Bjornstad wrote:
>>
>>> While we're discussing story river layouts, I've been playing with the 
>>> following odd-looking but surprisingly functional layout for a couple of 
>>> days, in an attempt to make optimal use of the 24" monitors where I do most 
>>> of my editing:
>>>
>>> [image: widening.png]
>>>
>>> As you can see, the story river is centered, but tiddlers get wider when 
>>> you go into edit mode, so there's additional space for a side-by-side 
>>> preview when editing but lines don't get too long to comfortably read when 
>>> viewing. I also changed the division between the editor and the preview to 
>>> 70/30 instead of 50/50, which usually gets the paragraphs on the left and 
>>> right to almost exactly line up, rather than the wikitext rapidly getting 
>>> longer than the preview (a smaller difference like 60/40 might be a better 
>>> compromise if you edit with a lot of images or transclusions).
>>>
>>> CSS on top of the default theme and fluid-fixed layout:
>>>
>>> div.tc-tiddler-frame { max-width: 60em; margin-left: auto; margin-right: 
>>> auto; }
>>> div.tc-tiddler-edit-frame { max-width: 90em; margin-left: auto; 
>>> margin-right: auto; }
>>> div.tc-tiddler-body { max-width: 50em; margin: auto; }
>>> .tc-tiddler-frame .tc-tiddler-preview .tc-edit-texteditor { width: 69%; }
>>> div.tc-tiddler-preview-preview { width: 29%; }
>>>
>>> Still in alpha stages, and probably much too odd to implement in core, 
>>> but maybe interesting to somebody. :-)
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, June 15, 2021 at 4:39:02 PM UTC-5 [email protected] 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Mario, we just had the pleasure, but others are welcome to read my 
>>>> opinion as well.
>>>>
>>>> Not a bad idea as far as it goes. Better than the original alignment of 
>>>> the empty.html.
>>>> But I would like to see another variant "All centered". Of course, both 
>>>> side by side but shown together in the center. 
>>>> [image: Eg_centered.png]
>>>>
>>>> PMario schrieb am Dienstag, 15. Juni 2021 um 21:28:21 UTC+2:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi folks, 
>>>>> According to the feedback from empty.html should start with 
>>>>> "fluid-fixed" layout 
>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki/c/m0XycQ8DrI0/m/2A3qssqDAQAJ> 
>>>>> I did create a new setting in the ControlPanel : Appearance : Theeme 
>>>>> Tweaks
>>>>>
>>>>>  - Centered story, fixed sidebar
>>>>>
>>>>> If the option is set, the metrics elements, that can't be used are 
>>>>> "grayd out". 
>>>>>
>>>>> The PR is at: https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/pull/5800
>>>>>
>>>>> [image: centered-fixed-01.gif]
>>>>>
>>>>> Feedback is welcome.
>>>>> -mario
>>>>>
>>>>>

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