On Saturday, 21 July 2012 21:40:15 UTC+10, Chris Dent wrote: > > On Sat, 21 Jul 2012, tejjyid wrote: > > > I created a tiddler called "tsjuly" as per some posting related to > > this...should I repost here? > > The idea was to tag the tiddler tsjuly, so if you add that tag, it > will show up on the radar. >
If only I could read; OK, will do. > > > I have never had a clear idea of how Tiddlyspace is supposed to work, > nor > > its relation to Tiddlywiki. Pretty much every time I try to use some > plugin > > - painfully tracked down - it turns out to be TW specific. The comment > made > > further down here - that TW should be about TW and TS about tiddlers I > find > > particularly bewildering: I thought TW was about tiddlers? And I thought > TS > > was about collaboration? > > What do you mean by "TW specific"? > TiddlyWiki specific; that is, there are a number of plugins that work in the TiddlyWiki file format that don't work in Tiddlyspace. > > > And how does one use TW, if not through tiddlers? And what/where are the > TS > > interfaces that expose tiddlers without exposing TW? > > The idea there is that TiddlyWeb makes it possible to work with > tiddlers outside of tiddlywiki. For example your tsjuly tiddler > (assuming this is yours) can be reached on the web like this: > > http://andrewsimon.tiddlyspace.com/tsjuly > > From which I can make a bookmark, that quotes it: > > http://cdent-bkm.tiddlyspace.com/tsjuly > I understand that now, but I note that you introduced a "new" concept, TiddlyWeb to explain it. > > > (And in fact, how does that gel with this, from the docs space? > > A space may be thought of as a TiddlyWiki hosted on TiddlyWeb.) > > As you've noted the docs are a bit inconsistent, but it is true that a > space may be thought of as a tiddlywiki hosted on tiddlyweb. It may > also be thought of a collection of tiddlers that are present on the > web. My main space doesn't use tiddlywiki at all, it just operates as > a more standard wiki: > > http://cdent.tiddlyspace.com/ > I know it's true that a space MAY be thought of as a tiddlywiki hosted on tiddlyweb, but it's clearly a bit misleading. > > You might ask, why bother? What do I gain from not using TiddlyWiki. > For me what I get is more direct access to the tiddlers without > TiddylyWiki being in the way. Each of those tiddlers can be access and > edited directly over the HTTP API that tiddlyweb present. I would never ask "why bother"; my questions would be much more along the lines of a.) Why keep it secret? b.) What are some ideas for how/when/why to think about when to use each path? > > The canonical URI of that HelloThere tiddlers is: > > http://cdent.tiddlyspace.com/bags/cdent_public/tiddlers/HelloThere > > it can be accessed in other representations. Here are some (but not > all): > > http://cdent.tiddlyspace.com/bags/cdent_public/tiddlers/HelloThere.txt > > http://cdent.tiddlyspace.com/bags/cdent_public/tiddlers/HelloThere.json > > http://cdent.tiddlyspace.com/bags/cdent_public/tiddlers/HelloThere.atom > > Using the web API it can be changed and manipulated by a large number > of tools, including, but not limited to TiddlyWiki. > > > Plus you say "We haven't been very good about exposing functionality": > > Endorsed! > > You might wish to read this posting in the [tiddlyspace] group where I > explain some of the reasons for this: > > https://groups.google.com/d/msg/tiddlyspace/g3SOnPGX8_U/_7KhIpyrv_QJ > > > I'm actually quite keen to get involved in documenting stuff - but I > have > > no idea where or how to start. > > I recommend you get in contact with pmario and mat mentioned in that > thread referenced just above. They appear to have some plans and hopes for > improving and consolidating the TiddlyWiki aspects of TiddlySpace. > Well, I will - but I note that you haven't mentioned collaboration at all, and I don't quite understand where it fits in to what you have said. "Collaboration", as a use-purpose, and the primary reason I switced from Tiddlyspot to Tiddlyspace, wouldn't be expected to be specific to one of json/wikify/htm/txt/atom access methods, would it?. So is it built into TiddlyWeb? Or is it a red herring? Or something else? It's not a given that I'm necessarily interested in the Tiddlywiki interface - it's just what I happen to know right now, and what I guess most people coming into Tiddlyspace know. What I'm interested in is functionality around collaborative work practices. > > -- > Chris Dent http://burningchrome.com/ > [...] d4e3ynbttttt > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/tiddlywiki/-/mwPWXdKdXCkJ. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en.
