On Thu, 26 Jul 2012, tejjyid wrote:
Thanks Chris - see below. I wouldn't want to say I've had an epiphany, but
I think I've started to crystallise some ideas.
I'm glad things are starting to fill in. They are for me too.
More below:
One of the early goals of TiddlySpace was to make it easy for people
to establish known-good collections of plugins that other people could
then include in their spaces using the inclusion mechanism. When I say
"people" here, I mean members of the using public.
I'm not sure how that's working, BTW, in terms of the "known". No mind,
I'll think about that as I get moving on documentation. I'm thinking of
starting a thread here for discussions about documentation
strategy/standards.
Yes, it's not yet working in the common case. I think there are at
least three forces working against it (in addition to the already
oft-stated documentation issue):
* The common TiddlyWiki behavior is to copy plugins around, because
that's how it works in offline TiddlyWiki.
* There's no warning mechanism, when you copy in a plugin, that tells
you "Hey, did you know you could just include this from space X?"
* We're all a bunch of hippies around here and neither want to force
people to do things a certain way, nor do the work people might be
able to do themselves, so there aren't many officially blessed
spaces.
I understand that now, but I note that you introduced a "new" concept,
TiddlyWeb to explain it.
That's pretty common when explaining anything isn't it?
Well, I hope not, but never mind.
We may wish to take this part of the conversation over to
alt.philosophy.epistemology or something...
I think there's quite a big difference between this description, and the
idea that TW is an application running on a datastore called TiddlySpace
(Which was my understanding of something you had said elsewhere). I still
think it's a big difference (hence misleading) but I doubt now whether the
difference will be that important in the overall scheme of things. For
different users, there may well be different descriptions.
Part of the fuzziness is the result of the several different visions
of people involved in creating the system and the documentation. The
great big tiddler database in the sky with many applications and tools
using them is the model that fits in (and comes from) my brain but
many consider that model too abstract.
Yes, sorry, that was unnecessarily snarky on my part.
I didn't mind. I think a bit of snarky helps to keep the internet
moving. I remember the good ol days of constant goodhearted flame
wars.
Yes, although I like "edit" for journalling on the bus.
That's part of why I made it. My hope is that tools like it can be
used as lego for people to build environments, piece-wise, that work
for them.
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Chris Dent http://burningchrome.com/
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