Hi Dave
Great to have your feedback, much appreciated. As I've said before, I think
it's reasonable for us to aim for TiddlyWiki5 to be hundreds of times more
popular than the original -- which can only be achieved by making it much
easier to use (as well as all the internal improvements that will make it
easier to extend and adapt). A big part of that is learning from people
such as yourself who have experience of working with TiddlyWiki in the
field, so to speak - teaching disinterested, ordinary people how to us it.
Here is some feedback from a non-expert perspective ("from the rest of us").
>
> 1. Using Windows 8 laptop, I saved TW5 to my desktop, where I also have
> TiddlySaver, and opened it in FF 19.02. Said yes to TiddlyFox and closed
> the welcome screen.
>
In fact, TiddlyWiki5 doesn't use TiddlySaver. It could, but I'm
increasingly convinced that Java is getting to the point where it isn't in
our users interests to recommend that they run it. I'd welcome feedback on
this, though.
> 2. Screen looks almost blank except for the tabs to the left. Welcome
> initial how to tiddler would be good. I guessed correctly that to create a
> sitetitle I needed to create a tiddler SiteTitle and add a title. But that
> was a guess. Creating a MainMenu tiddler did nothing.
>
There will soon be a GettingStarted shadow tiddler that will function
similarly to classic TiddlyWiki.
>
> 3. Set password and tried to save changes. Nothing happened, and
> refreshing the browser tab made me lose changes.
>
Hmm, it's not clear what went wrong here. Could you kindly spell out
exactly what you did? A simpler experiment would be to try to save changes
without setting a password.
> 4. Dragging a jpeg image to a new tiddler while it was in edit mode did
> nothing. Nor did dragging the image while in view mode.
>
Ha! I'm delighted you tried that. I'd been wanting to add drag and drop
support for a while, and got a chance to do so today, having spent some
time planning and plotting over the weekend. If you try again now, you
should be able to drag images straight into the TW5 browser window.
>
> 5. My vote would be for the "tools" tab to be to the left and the default
> open tab rather than the "open" tab. Functionality (creating new tiddlers)
> should trump seeing what tiddlers are open.
>
That makes sense. I intend to more clearly separate features that only
apply when a tiddlywiki is being edited, and am thinking in terms of an
editing toolbar that is indepdendent of the sidebar.
>
> 6. Despite the above, I really like the look and feel of TW5 - the
> minimalist design, the elimination of classic TWs screen-hogging header,
> the nice visual buttons in the tiddler toolbar, the placing of the tagging
> and references in the information button, the bubbly tags and the way they
> are listed horizontally, etc. All great improvements.
>
Terrific, there's a lot about TW5 that is still highly provisional, but
you've picked up a lot of the elements that I've been particularly
focussing on.
>
> 7. I am ambivalent about the search results. On the one hand, the results
> look nice, and it is nice that they are off to the side rather than in the
> tiddler display area. But it IS a little jarring that the tabs then
> disappear. Help! How do I get back to the tabs! was my initial response.
>
Yes, one possibility would be to make the entire search machinery live in a
tab, but I quite like having the search box accessible without additional
clicks.
>
> When you are about ready to go beta, if you would like more input, I would
> be happy to give it a test drive and give more feedback. But until I know
> how to save, add images, etc, it will be hard to play with it.
>
Hopefully we can figure out what was preventing you from being able to save
changes and perhaps get a bit more feedback before beta (which should be
pretty soon).
Best wishes
Jeremy
Dave
>
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