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Dave
On Monday, April 1, 2013 2:49:53 PM UTC-6, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>
> Hi Dave
>
> Great to have your feedback, much appreciated. As I've said before, I
> think it's reasonable for us to aim for TiddlyWiki5 to be hundreds of times
> more popular than the original -- which can only be achieved by making it
> much easier to use (as well as all the internal improvements that will make
> it easier to extend and adapt). A big part of that is learning from people
> such as yourself who have experience of working with TiddlyWiki in the
> field, so to speak - teaching disinterested, ordinary people how to us it.
>
> Here is some feedback from a non-expert perspective ("from the rest of
>> us").
>>
>> 1. Using Windows 8 laptop, I saved TW5 to my desktop, where I also have
>> TiddlySaver, and opened it in FF 19.02. Said yes to TiddlyFox and closed
>> the welcome screen.
>>
>
> In fact, TiddlyWiki5 doesn't use TiddlySaver. It could, but I'm
> increasingly convinced that Java is getting to the point where it isn't in
> our users interests to recommend that they run it. I'd welcome feedback on
> this, though.
>
>
>> 2. Screen looks almost blank except for the tabs to the left. Welcome
>> initial how to tiddler would be good. I guessed correctly that to create a
>> sitetitle I needed to create a tiddler SiteTitle and add a title. But that
>> was a guess. Creating a MainMenu tiddler did nothing.
>>
>
> There will soon be a GettingStarted shadow tiddler that will function
> similarly to classic TiddlyWiki.
>
>
>>
>> 3. Set password and tried to save changes. Nothing happened, and
>> refreshing the browser tab made me lose changes.
>>
>
> Hmm, it's not clear what went wrong here. Could you kindly spell out
> exactly what you did? A simpler experiment would be to try to save changes
> without setting a password.
>
>
>> 4. Dragging a jpeg image to a new tiddler while it was in edit mode did
>> nothing. Nor did dragging the image while in view mode.
>>
>
> Ha! I'm delighted you tried that. I'd been wanting to add drag and drop
> support for a while, and got a chance to do so today, having spent some
> time planning and plotting over the weekend. If you try again now, you
> should be able to drag images straight into the TW5 browser window.
>
>
>>
>> 5. My vote would be for the "tools" tab to be to the left and the default
>> open tab rather than the "open" tab. Functionality (creating new tiddlers)
>> should trump seeing what tiddlers are open.
>>
>
> That makes sense. I intend to more clearly separate features that only
> apply when a tiddlywiki is being edited, and am thinking in terms of an
> editing toolbar that is indepdendent of the sidebar.
>
>
>>
>> 6. Despite the above, I really like the look and feel of TW5 - the
>> minimalist design, the elimination of classic TWs screen-hogging header,
>> the nice visual buttons in the tiddler toolbar, the placing of the tagging
>> and references in the information button, the bubbly tags and the way they
>> are listed horizontally, etc. All great improvements.
>>
>
> Terrific, there's a lot about TW5 that is still highly provisional, but
> you've picked up a lot of the elements that I've been particularly
> focussing on.
>
>
>>
>> 7. I am ambivalent about the search results. On the one hand, the results
>> look nice, and it is nice that they are off to the side rather than in the
>> tiddler display area. But it IS a little jarring that the tabs then
>> disappear. Help! How do I get back to the tabs! was my initial response.
>>
>
> Yes, one possibility would be to make the entire search machinery live in
> a tab, but I quite like having the search box accessible without additional
> clicks.
>
>
>>
>> When you are about ready to go beta, if you would like more input, I
>> would be happy to give it a test drive and give more feedback. But until I
>> know how to save, add images, etc, it will be hard to play with it.
>>
>
> Hopefully we can figure out what was preventing you from being able to
> save changes and perhaps get a bit more feedback before beta (which should
> be pretty soon).
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy
>
>
>
> Dave
>
>>
>
>
> --
> Jeremy Ruston
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>
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