Hi Jeremy,

On Wednesday, October 16, 2013 6:51:50 PM UTC+2, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>
> Hi Ton
>  
>
>> I feel like using TiddlyWiki with node.js is way beyond me. I have 
>>> node.js installed, but I know nothing about it and would need a step by 
>>> step walkthrough from someone, answering my questions along the way.
>>>
>>
> When things are set up properly, the steps will be as simple as:
>
> * One step to install node.js (a one click install for most platforms)
> * One step to install TW (in the command line type "npm install 
> tiddlywiki")
> * One step to run TW in a given folder and (something like "tiddlywiki 
> --new myfolder")
>
> There will be no need to mess with git or github.
>
> Anyhow, we're not quite there yet.
>  
>
>> That's true for me as well. I did install it but then I miss the latest 
>> additions to TW5 when downloading master.zip. At 
>> http://five.tiddlywiki.com/ I see a ReadOnly theme but that is not in 
>> the master.zip.
>>
>
> That's confusing. How are you downloading the master.zip? The readonly 
> theme has been in the master branch of TW5 for a week or so, and so should 
> be in there.
>

David Johnston made a guide for installing node.js on Windows [1] which I 
followed:
I did install Github and lateron Cygwin but the command sh was not 
recognized which was a path problem.
After appending C:\cygwin\bin; to the path it did work. Lateron I made a 
batch file to execute the build (change to the right directory, build TW 
with 'sh bld.sh' and start the server with 'sh serve.sh').
Today I downloaded master.zip 
(http://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/archive/master.zip) and unzipped 
it all according to David's recipe.
Executing the batch file gave 2 failures (44 tests, 40 assertions, 2 
failures)
Error 1: Expected '$:/TiddlerTwo, TiddlerOne' to be 'TiddlerThree, 
TiddlerOne'
Error 2: Expected '$:/TiddlerTwo' to be 'TiddlerTwo, TiddlerOne'

Starting Firefox with http://localhost:8080/ which opened TW5 but WITHOUT 
the ReadOnly theme I saw at http://five.tiddlywiki.com/
To exclude cache problems I tried with Chrome as well with the same result: 
no ReadOnly theme.

[1] https://groups.google.com/d/msg/tiddlywikidev/ZwcOcrTzPys/c9xOwBzn_T8J

So, no idea what's going wrong.

Cheers,

Ton

>  
>
>> There must be a way via Github I think, but I did only succeed in the 
>> Cygwin way. I installed Github according David Jonston's walkthrough but 
>> that did not work (missing steps in the walkthrough?)
>>
>>>
>>> I am waiting on the list widget and anything remotely like that because 
>>> I want to know if the refactoring Jeremy is working on will change things 
>>> like that. Supposedly there will be a dropdown way to add tiddlers to lists 
>>> and lists to tiddlers. I am forcing myself to wait for that before I get 
>>> into lists in any serious way. All I did was have a conversation with 
>>> Jeremy about a similar potential mechanism where by "listing" one tiddler 
>>> in another, both tiddlers would be connected to each other equally in a two 
>>> way process. But that probably won't happen.
>>>
>> We'll wait.
>>
>
> Dave and I had some back and forth about this two way list idea, and my 
> (tentative) conclusion is that the features Dave describes are equivalent 
> to those already present in TW5.
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy.
>  
>
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Ton
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 8:17 AM, Ton Gerner <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Dave,
>>>>
>>>> 1) There is an updated version of my TW5 with top menu and toolbar 
>>>> buttons [1].
>>>> Now it contains buttons for 'new tiddler', 'Control panel', 'save', 
>>>> 'close all', 'search', 'toggle view' and 'toggle sidebar' buttons.
>>>> Besides a demo it is a step by step guide for adding a fixed top menu 
>>>> with toolbar buttons to a standard TW5.
>>>> The buttons are now transcluded in $:/TopSideBar, so the approach is 
>>>> more modular to ease adding only certain toolbar buttons.
>>>>
>>>> 2) What do you think of adding instructions for installing node.js?
>>>> David Johnston made a walkthrough [2] and with his help I succeeded in 
>>>> installing node.js (the cygwin route, NOT the github route).
>>>> I plan to do a node.js install on another PC (the cygwin route) and 
>>>> note done all necessary steps.
>>>> Interested?
>>>>
>>>> 3) My knowledge of the <$list> widget is minimal and the documentation 
>>>> at http://five.tiddlywiki.com/ misses simple examples.
>>>> David Johnston seems to do a lot with it and I understood you are 
>>>> experimenting with it as well.
>>>> Are you planning to add some simple examples for use of the <$list> 
>>>> widget?
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>>
>>>> Ton
>>>>
>>>> [1] 
>>>> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.**com/u/2638511/TW5_Test.htm<https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2638511/TW5_Test.htm>
>>>>
>>>> [2] https://groups.google.com/d/**msg/tiddlywikidev/ZwcOcrTzPys/**
>>>> c9xOwBzn_T8J<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/tiddlywikidev/ZwcOcrTzPys/c9xOwBzn_T8J>
>>>>
>>>> On Thursday, October 10, 2013 3:13:37 AM UTC+2, Pat O'Brien wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you for having a collection area for all modifications TW5. Will 
>>>>> surely be a resource as it comes to upgrade time (from alpha to beta)!
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tuesday, October 1, 2013 10:56:21 PM UTC-4, David Gifford wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi guys
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Seeing the cool stuff David Johnston is doing for TW5 got me really 
>>>>>> excited about the many possibilities for TW5. Tonight I whipped up a 
>>>>>> modest 
>>>>>> collection of how-tos, aimed at new users. I call it TW5 mall. See it at 
>>>>>> http://www.giffmex.org/**tw5mall**.htm<http://www.giffmex.org/tw5mall.htm>
>>>>>> .
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I ask two things of you:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1. How do I get rid of the stylesheet tag pill in the Index?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> and 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2. Please submit either here or by email, the kinds of things you 
>>>>>> think should be added to the mall, preferably with explanations of how 
>>>>>> to 
>>>>>> do them. As I learn TiddlyWiki 5 better, everyone wins, because I can 
>>>>>> try 
>>>>>> to communicate my learning to other new users who like myself are not 
>>>>>> coders / programmers / developers.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am quite happy to donate any of these tiddlers to whatever Jeremy 
>>>>>> and team come up with in terms of an official site with tutorials, tips 
>>>>>> and 
>>>>>> tricks, themes, macros, plugins, widgets, and other goodies. But until 
>>>>>> then 
>>>>>> I am doing this first of all for me, as a storage place for stuff I want 
>>>>>> to 
>>>>>> remember how to do, but also for others who may benefit from it until 
>>>>>> something more official gets cooked up.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Blessings,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dave
>>>>>>
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