Hi Jeremy, Thanks for the explanation. I had the impression something was wrong with my setup but that is not the case ;). Normally, I only use the standalaone version of TW5; at a second PC I installed node.js to experiment with it independently. Yesterday, after finishing/publishing my (3rd) version of the guide for making a top menu with toolbar buttons, I - by accident - saw the ReadOnly theme at http://five.tiddlywiki.com/ I dragged/dropped it to my toolbar demo and found that when in readonly mode not only the 3 page control buttons disappeared but also my toggle sidebar button. I didn't have a close look at the ReadOnly theme but will do in the near future to see why my toggle sidebar button diasappears in readonly mode (it has no high priority for me at the moment). After that I tried to update the "node.js version" of TW5 at my 2nd PC and found the missing ReadOnly theme in master.zip. But that will be remedied.
At the moment I want to explore the <$list> possibilities of TW5 but find it difficult to start. I just managed to list tiddlers sorted and tagged with 'topmenu' in my guide, but that's about all. In the documentation at http://five.tiddlywiki.com/ there is only one simple example, thereafter it starts direct about creating nested lists as used in the 'recent' and 'type' tabs of the Control panel. Not the easiest things to start with I think ;). Also the use of '!' and '!!' is unclear for me. Also the core of TW5 is not the best place to start with I think. Is there somewhere more/easier documentation available? Another question: When will TW5 have a "real" version number? When I started with TW5 (just 4 weeks ago) one of my first questions was: "Is there a way to see which build (or build date) I am using?" Once in a while I downloaded an empty.html and sometimes it had grown a little bit bigger (from 633 kB to 637 kB in the last weeks) but the the version number hasn't changed; it is still v5.0.0 alpha 10. Since TW5 is "in the wild" I can imagine it becomes more and more important when problems will be reported you have to know which version it is. The refactoring you are doing at the moment looks to me as a relatively big change, worth an increase in version number (alpha11?). For sure a proper versioning system is on your list but when will it be implemented? Cheers, Ton On Wednesday, October 16, 2013 11:55:24 PM UTC+2, Jeremy Ruston wrote: > > Hi Ton > > Thanks for your patience. The issue is that I mistakenly failed to add the > ReadOnly theme to the edition that is used when you run serve.sh. I'll fix > tomorrow, but as a workaround you can find the ReadOnly theme in the System > tab of the sidebar in five.tiddlywiki.com and drag it to the browser > window showing your 0.0.0.0:8080. Anowhow, all that bash nonsense won't > be necessary soon. > > Best wishes > > Jeremy > — > Sent from Mailbox <https://www.dropbox.com/mailbox> for iPad > > > On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 10:45 PM, Ton Gerner <[email protected]<javascript:> > > wrote: > >> Hi Jeremy, >> >> On Wednesday, October 16, 2013 6:51:50 PM UTC+2, Jeremy Ruston wrote: >>> >>> Hi Ton >>> >>> >>>> I feel like using TiddlyWiki with node.js is way beyond me. I have >>>>> node.js installed, but I know nothing about it and would need a step by >>>>> step walkthrough from someone, answering my questions along the way. >>>>> >>>> >>> When things are set up properly, the steps will be as simple as: >>> >>> * One step to install node.js (a one click install for most platforms) >>> * One step to install TW (in the command line type "npm install >>> tiddlywiki") >>> * One step to run TW in a given folder and (something like "tiddlywiki >>> --new myfolder") >>> >>> There will be no need to mess with git or github. >>> >>> Anyhow, we're not quite there yet. >>> >>> >>>> That's true for me as well. I did install it but then I miss the >>>> latest additions to TW5 when downloading master.zip. At >>>> http://five.tiddlywiki.com/ I see a ReadOnly theme but that is not in >>>> the master.zip. >>>> >>> >>> That's confusing. How are you downloading the master.zip? The readonly >>> theme has been in the master branch of TW5 for a week or so, and so should >>> be in there. >>> >> >> David Johnston made a guide for installing node.js on Windows [1] which I >> followed: >> I did install Github and lateron Cygwin but the command sh was not >> recognized which was a path problem. >> After appending C:\cygwin\bin; to the path it did work. Lateron I made a >> batch file to execute the build (change to the right directory, build TW >> with 'sh bld.sh' and start the server with 'sh serve.sh'). >> Today I downloaded master.zip ( >> http://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/archive/master.zip) and unzipped >> it all according to David's recipe. >> Executing the batch file gave 2 failures (44 tests, 40 assertions, 2 >> failures) >> Error 1: Expected '$:/TiddlerTwo, TiddlerOne' to be 'TiddlerThree, >> TiddlerOne' >> Error 2: Expected '$:/TiddlerTwo' to be 'TiddlerTwo, TiddlerOne' >> >> Starting Firefox with http://localhost:8080/ which opened TW5 but >> WITHOUT the ReadOnly theme I saw at http://five.tiddlywiki.com/ >> To exclude cache problems I tried with Chrome as well with the same >> result: no ReadOnly theme. >> >> [1] >> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/tiddlywikidev/ZwcOcrTzPys/c9xOwBzn_T8J >> >> So, no idea what's going wrong. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Ton >> >>> >>> >>>> There must be a way via Github I think, but I did only succeed in the >>>> Cygwin way. I installed Github according David Jonston's walkthrough but >>>> that did not work (missing steps in the walkthrough?) >>>> >>>>> >>>>> I am waiting on the list widget and anything remotely like that >>>>> because I want to know if the refactoring Jeremy is working on will >>>>> change >>>>> things like that. Supposedly there will be a dropdown way to add tiddlers >>>>> to lists and lists to tiddlers. I am forcing myself to wait for that >>>>> before >>>>> I get into lists in any serious way. All I did was have a conversation >>>>> with >>>>> Jeremy about a similar potential mechanism where by "listing" one tiddler >>>>> in another, both tiddlers would be connected to each other equally in a >>>>> two >>>>> way process. But that probably won't happen. >>>>> >>>> We'll wait. >>>> >>> >>> Dave and I had some back and forth about this two way list idea, and my >>> (tentative) conclusion is that the features Dave describes are equivalent >>> to those already present in TW5. >>> >>> Best wishes >>> >>> Jeremy. >>> >>> >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> >>>> Ton >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 8:17 AM, Ton Gerner <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi Dave, >>>>>> >>>>>> 1) There is an updated version of my TW5 with top menu and toolbar >>>>>> buttons [1]. >>>>>> Now it contains buttons for 'new tiddler', 'Control panel', 'save', >>>>>> 'close all', 'search', 'toggle view' and 'toggle sidebar' buttons. >>>>>> Besides a demo it is a step by step guide for adding a fixed top menu >>>>>> with toolbar buttons to a standard TW5. >>>>>> The buttons are now transcluded in $:/TopSideBar, so the approach is >>>>>> more modular to ease adding only certain toolbar buttons. >>>>>> >>>>>> 2) What do you think of adding instructions for installing node.js? >>>>>> David Johnston made a walkthrough [2] and with his help I succeeded >>>>>> in installing node.js (the cygwin route, NOT the github route). >>>>>> I plan to do a node.js install on another PC (the cygwin route) and >>>>>> note done all necessary steps. >>>>>> Interested? >>>>>> >>>>>> 3) My knowledge of the <$list> widget is minimal and the >>>>>> documentation at http://five.tiddlywiki.com/ misses simple examples. >>>>>> David Johnston seems to do a lot with it and I understood you are >>>>>> experimenting with it as well. >>>>>> Are you planning to add some simple examples for use of the <$list> >>>>>> widget? >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>> >>>>>> Ton >>>>>> >>>>>> [1] >>>>>> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.**com/u/2638511/TW5_Test.htm<https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2638511/TW5_Test.htm> >>>>>> >>>>>> [2] https://groups.google.com/d/**msg/tiddlywikidev/ZwcOcrTzPys/** >>>>>> c9xOwBzn_T8J<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/tiddlywikidev/ZwcOcrTzPys/c9xOwBzn_T8J> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thursday, October 10, 2013 3:13:37 AM UTC+2, Pat O'Brien wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thank you for having a collection area for all modifications TW5. >>>>>>> Will surely be a resource as it comes to upgrade time (from alpha to >>>>>>> beta)! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tuesday, October 1, 2013 10:56:21 PM UTC-4, David Gifford wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi guys >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Seeing the cool stuff David Johnston is doing for TW5 got me really >>>>>>>> excited about the many possibilities for TW5. Tonight I whipped up a >>>>>>>> modest >>>>>>>> collection of how-tos, aimed at new users. I call it TW5 mall. See it >>>>>>>> at >>>>>>>> http://www.giffmex.org/**tw5mall**.htm<http://www.giffmex.org/tw5mall.htm> >>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I ask two things of you: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 1. How do I get rid of the stylesheet tag pill in the Index? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 2. Please submit either here or by email, the kinds of things you >>>>>>>> think should be added to the mall, preferably with explanations of how >>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>> do them. As I learn TiddlyWiki 5 better, everyone wins, because I can >>>>>>>> try >>>>>>>> to communicate my learning to other new users who like myself are not >>>>>>>> coders / programmers / developers. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I am quite happy to donate any of these tiddlers to whatever Jeremy >>>>>>>> and team come up with in terms of an official site with tutorials, >>>>>>>> tips and >>>>>>>> tricks, themes, macros, plugins, widgets, and other goodies. But until >>>>>>>> then >>>>>>>> I am doing this first of all for me, as a storage place for stuff I >>>>>>>> want to >>>>>>>> remember how to do, but also for others who may benefit from it until >>>>>>>> something more official gets cooked up. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Blessings, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Dave >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in >>>>>> the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/** >>>>>> topic/tiddlywiki/tqLSNAFMygY/**unsubscribe<https://groups.google.com/d/topic/tiddlywiki/tqLSNAFMygY/unsubscribe> >>>>>> . >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to >>>>>> tiddlywiki+...@**googlegroups.com. >>>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>>> >>>>>> Visit this group at >>>>>> http://groups.google.com/**group/tiddlywiki<http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki> >>>>>> . >>>>>> For more options, visit >>>>>> https://groups.google.com/**groups/opt_out<https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out> >>>>>> . >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> David Gifford >>>>> Christian Reformed World Missions, Mexico City >>>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Jeremy Ruston >>> mailto:[email protected] >>> >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. 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