Hi Thanks - I've developed various techniques for saving my work for the time being - would like to track down the problem though. I don't think this was happening (at least I didn't notice), before the upgrade to v5.0.8-beta. I have tried all kinds of tests, creating and deleting tiddlers, leaving some tiddlers open whilst creating and deleting tiddlers etc. Haven't managed to track this down to any action.
As I mentioned, a server that stands completely idle from initial start (other than opening the TW on the browser) may not function after some delay. The fault seems to appear at completely random moments - at times one server might function for hours without a problem, whilst another develops the fault quickly. Meanwhile another idle server develops the fault before first use. Unfortunately there are no anomalous messages in the terminal - all seems to function correctly until the moment of failure. There are a few other issues with saving: I have lost tiddlers on occasion when saving (sort of deletes instead of saves - but the appearance is not the same) and on occasions duplicate copies of tiddlers appear in the Recent tab (deleting one usually deletes both.) These errors report a syncing error in the terminal. This does not, however, appear to be related to the saving failure, else these syncing error messages should appear last in the terminal before each failure. I shall report any further observations. regards On Wednesday, March 12, 2014 2:27:38 PM UTC+2, Jeremy Ruston wrote: > > Hi Matabele > > I could do with some help to track this down, I've had similar reports in > the past that I have been unable to reliably duplicate. It was the driver > for the increased logging in 5.0.8. > > The open copy of the TW appears to be aware of the breakdown - when >> closing or refreshing the page, a warning is issued to the effect that >> there are unsaved changes. However, the only way to restore saving is to >> restart the server and refresh the page (thus losing any edits since the >> server ceased to function.) >> > > You can save your modified tiddlers as a standalone file via the control > panel "Server" tab. Then you can open the standalone file in the browser > and drag tiddlers back into your online wiki once you've restarted the > server. > > Best wishes > > Jeremy. > > > >> >> Hope this helps identify the problem. >> >> regards >> >> >> >> 2014 11:52:21 PM UTC+2, Jeremy Ruston wrote: >> >>> Hi Matabele >>> >>> The problem is your tiddlywiki.info file. It doesn't contain the >>> plugins needed for the server edition to operate. >>> >>> The fix is to re-initialise the wiki folder with: >>> >>> tiddlywiki --init server >>> >>> Best wishes >>> >>> Jeremy >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 8:12 PM, Matabele <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> <https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-v1QYGdwriog/UxThqlYbi0I/AAAAAAAAAXQ/YD-2NThZoTc/s1600/start.jpg> >>>> >>>> >>>> <https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-d_cGllkexWQ/UxThPjGEA8I/AAAAAAAAAXI/tZiwtnwRa6A/s1600/tiddlywiki.info.jpg> >>>> >>>> I start from the command line as shown - also shown my tiddlywiki.info >>>> >>>> >>>> On Monday, March 3, 2014 8:21:33 PM UTC+2, Jeremy Ruston wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi Matabele >>>>> >>>>> Could you please show a copy of: >>>>> >>>>> * The batch file you're using to start the server >>>>> * The content of the tiddlywiki.info file in your wiki folder >>>>> >>>>> Also, what OS and browser are you using? >>>>> >>>>> Many thanks >>>>> >>>>> Jeremy >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 2:20 PM, Matabele <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> One further observation - when refreshing the browser, I get a >>>>>> warning of the sort 'Do you want to leave this page - you may have >>>>>> unsaved >>>>>> changes' (varies a little with different browsers.) Can't remember if >>>>>> this >>>>>> happened when it was saving. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Monday, March 3, 2014 4:09:07 PM UTC+2, Matabele wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> No further progress I'm afraid. Last evening I ran a number of tests >>>>>>> - dropping a new tiddler in or creating a new tiddler then restarting >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> server - all worked fine over a number of cycles. Today, nothing saves >>>>>>> no >>>>>>> matter what I try (no messages in the terminal either) :-( >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sunday, March 2, 2014 8:47:45 PM UTC+2, Jeremy Ruston wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi Matabele >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I noticed no messages with 5.0.7 - the updates appeared to save >>>>>>>>> transparently. Yesterday, after upgrading to 5.0.8, I noticed nothing >>>>>>>>> unusual, but kept losing updates whilst I was editing cloned themes. >>>>>>>>> On >>>>>>>>> firing up this morning, not only the latest themes were lost, but >>>>>>>>> also a >>>>>>>>> couple of other tiddlers I had updated (it also appears that a couple >>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>> the lost themes re-appeared - as I had several older versions of the >>>>>>>>> themes.) Only after that did I deliberately experiment by closing the >>>>>>>>> server and refreshing after updating a few tiddlers. Behaviour is >>>>>>>>> erratic - >>>>>>>>> at this stage I can't see why some tiddlers save and others don't. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> That's frustrating, I'd appreciate any further updates. I'd >>>>>>>> recommend reviewing the messages in the terminal window to verify when >>>>>>>> files have been successfully written to disc. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I presume this may be due to a clash with the new auto update >>>>>>>>> feature (in the stand alone version, I see occasional messages.) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The new autosave mechanism only kicks in in the standalone >>>>>>>> configuration. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I shall keep a look out to see if I notice anything else. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Many thanks >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Jeremy >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> regards >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Sunday, March 2, 2014 6:56:44 PM UTC+2, Jeremy Ruston wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi Matabele & Mario, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> To confirm that I was mistaken above: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> * 5.0.7-beta and before do not create a missing tiddlywiki.infofile, >>>>>>>>>> they just fall back to default values >>>>>>>>>> * therefore, you may well need to use `tiddlywiki myfolder --init >>>>>>>>>> server` to create a tiddlywiki.info file for an existing wiki >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> > There appear to be problems with saving - some updates are >>>>>>>>>> saved whilst others are lost. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Can you give more details? What messages if any do you see on the >>>>>>>>>> terminal, and in the browser console window? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Best wishes >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Jeremy >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Mar 2, 2014 at 4:51 PM, Matabele <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> There appear to be problems with saving - some updates are saved >>>>>>>>>>> whilst others are lost. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, March 1, 2014 10:38:40 AM UTC+2, Matabele wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> <https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-L6_RKEKJ6No/UxGb0Ev5McI/AAAAAAAAAWc/N1hOQNUHG9o/s1600/upgrade+v5.0.8_beta+on+node.jpg> >>>>>>>>>>>> On upgrading to v5.0.8_b (linux os) - this is what I see - any >>>>>>>>>>>> ideas? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>>>>>> Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. >>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from >>>>>>>>>>> it, send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. >>>>>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out >>>>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> Jeremy Ruston >>>>>>>>>> mailto:[email protected] >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Jeremy Ruston >>>>>>>> mailto:[email protected] >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Jeremy Ruston >>>>> mailto:[email protected] >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Jeremy Ruston >>> mailto:[email protected] >>> >> > > > -- > Jeremy Ruston > mailto:[email protected] <javascript:> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. 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