Hi Ton Since my last post I switched to Chrome (instead of Firefox). > Up till now I have no sync/save problems anymore with TW & node.js. > > - Is it possible the problem is browser dependent? > - Is this in line with the bug reports you got? > > That's very interesting, it's the first suggestion I've had that the problems are browser specific. I'll continue to investigate,
Many thanks, Jeremy > > Cheers, > > Ton > > > > On Friday, March 21, 2014 9:47:04 PM UTC+1, Ton Gerner wrote: >> >> Hi Jeremy, >> >> Addendum: >> Upon restarting the node TW I find a "New tiddler" and a "Draft of 'New >> Tiddler'" (the last added tiddler that has *not* been saved). >> >> Cheers, >> >> Ton >> >> On Friday, March 21, 2014 9:39:44 PM UTC+1, Ton Gerner wrote: >>> >>> Hi Jeremy, >>> >>> Again save/sync problems. >>> >>> Now I get - after some time not editing - messages about "Draft of new >>> tiddlers" while I don't see an open draft tiddler. >>> From that time on it does not save anymore. >>> >>> GET http://localhost:8080/recipes/default/tiddlers.json [HTTP/1.1 200 >>> OK 36ms] >>> GET http://localhost:8080/recipes/default/tiddlers.json [HTTP/1.1 200 >>> OK 34ms] >>> GET http://localhost:8080/recipes/default/tiddlers.json [HTTP/1.1 200 >>> OK 44ms] >>> GET http://localhost:8080/recipes/default/tiddlers.json [HTTP/1.1 200 >>> OK 41ms] >>> PUT >>> http://localhost:8080/recipes/default/tiddlers/Draft%20of%20%27New%20Tiddler%27 >>> [HTTP/1.1 204 OK 1ms] >>> no element found Draft%20of%20%27New%20Tiddler%27:1 >>> PUT http://localhost:8080/recipes/default/tiddlers/New%20Tiddler >>> [HTTP/1.1 204 OK 1ms] >>> no element found New%20Tiddler:1 >>> PUT >>> http://localhost:8080/recipes/default/tiddlers/Draft%20of%20%27New%20Tiddler%27 >>> [HTTP/1.1 204 OK 1ms] >>> no element found Draft%20of%20%27New%20Tiddler%27:1 >>> PUT >>> http://localhost:8080/recipes/default/tiddlers/Draft%20of%20%27New%20Tiddler%27 >>> [HTTP/1.1 204 OK 1ms] >>> no element found Draft%20of%20%27New%20Tiddler%27:1 >>> PUT >>> http://localhost:8080/recipes/default/tiddlers/Draft%20of%20%27New%20Tiddler%27 >>> [HTTP/1.1 204 OK 1ms] >>> no element found Draft%20of%20%27New%20Tiddler%27:1 >>> >>> The Windows command windows shows the same kind of messages: >>> >>> syncer-server: Dispatching 'save' task: Draft of 'New Tiddler' >>> FileSystem: Saved file D:\Data\TiddlyWiki\TW5\_TW5_Node\TW5Help\tiddlers >>> /Draft of 'New Tiddler'.tid >>> syncer-server: Dispatching 'save' task: Draft of 'New Tiddler' >>> FileSystem: Saved file D:\Data\TiddlyWiki\TW5\_TW5_Node\TW5Help\tiddlers >>> /Draft of 'New Tiddler'.tid >>> >>> Hope that helps. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Ton >>> >>> >>> On Friday, March 21, 2014 6:48:28 PM UTC+1, Jeremy Ruston wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi Ton >>>> >>>> Thanks for the report. There's a fix for one of the outstanding sync >>>> problems in 5.0.9, courtesy of this pull request from buggyj: >>>> >>>> https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/pull/496 >>>> >>>> That fix concerns tiddlers that get deleted while there is still a >>>> pending save to the server. I think the situation you describe is a >>>> different problem, and we'll continue to investigate. >>>> >>>> Best wishes >>>> >>>> Jeremy >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 5:04 PM, Ton Gerner <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi Jeremy, >>>>> >>>>> Since a few days I am again playing around with TW5 and node.js >>>>> (Windows 7, Firefox v28, TW5.0.8-beta). >>>>> A few times I noted that changes were not saved, but I didn't have the >>>>> console open so could not check messages. >>>>> >>>>> Today it happened again while I had the console open (and the Windows >>>>> command window open). >>>>> Like Matabele I get the impression that after a certain (idle?) time >>>>> it just stops syncing without errors in the console. >>>>> >>>>> Everything worked OK, I didn't do any editing for an hour or so and >>>>> when I restarted editing nothing was saved. >>>>> Normally I see PUT messages, when idle I see GET messages in the >>>>> console. >>>>> When it does not save I only see GET messages (once a minute a new >>>>> one). >>>>> >>>>> The Windows command window just stops with "syncer-server: Dispatching >>>>> 'save' task" messages. >>>>> >>>>> Luckily I made every time an offline copy, so I did not lose anything, >>>>> but this way I don't see any advantages over a standalone version ;-) >>>>> >>>>> I know this does not help you that much (without any message in the >>>>> console). >>>>> Just to let you know the problem was found by another person as well. >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> >>>>> Ton >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Wednesday, March 12, 2014 4:41:24 PM UTC+1, Matabele wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks - I've developed various techniques for saving my work for the >>>>>> time being - would like to track down the problem though. I don't think >>>>>> this was happening (at least I didn't notice), before the upgrade to >>>>>> v5.0.8-beta. I have tried all kinds of tests, creating and deleting >>>>>> tiddlers, leaving some tiddlers open whilst creating and deleting >>>>>> tiddlers >>>>>> etc. Haven't managed to track this down to any action. >>>>>> >>>>>> As I mentioned, a server that stands completely idle from initial >>>>>> start (other than opening the TW on the browser) may not function after >>>>>> some delay. The fault seems to appear at completely random moments - at >>>>>> times one server might function for hours without a problem, whilst >>>>>> another >>>>>> develops the fault quickly. Meanwhile another idle server develops the >>>>>> fault before first use. >>>>>> >>>>>> Unfortunately there are no anomalous messages in the terminal - all >>>>>> seems to function correctly until the moment of failure. >>>>>> >>>>>> There are a few other issues with saving: I have lost tiddlers on >>>>>> occasion when saving (sort of deletes instead of saves - but the >>>>>> appearance >>>>>> is not the same) and on occasions duplicate copies of tiddlers appear in >>>>>> the Recent tab (deleting one usually deletes both.) These errors report a >>>>>> syncing error in the terminal. This does not, however, appear to be >>>>>> related >>>>>> to the saving failure, else these syncing error messages should appear >>>>>> last >>>>>> in the terminal before each failure. >>>>>> >>>>>> I shall report any further observations. >>>>>> >>>>>> regards >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wednesday, March 12, 2014 2:27:38 PM UTC+2, Jeremy Ruston wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Matabele >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I could do with some help to track this down, I've had similar >>>>>>> reports in the past that I have been unable to reliably duplicate. It >>>>>>> was >>>>>>> the driver for the increased logging in 5.0.8. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The open copy of the TW appears to be aware of the breakdown - when >>>>>>>> closing or refreshing the page, a warning is issued to the effect that >>>>>>>> there are unsaved changes. However, the only way to restore saving is >>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>> restart the server and refresh the page (thus losing any edits since >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> server ceased to function.) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You can save your modified tiddlers as a standalone file via the >>>>>>> control panel "Server" tab. Then you can open the standalone file in the >>>>>>> browser and drag tiddlers back into your online wiki once you've >>>>>>> restarted >>>>>>> the server. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Best wishes >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Jeremy. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hope this helps identify the problem. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> regards >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 2014 11:52:21 PM UTC+2, Jeremy Ruston wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi Matabele >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The problem is your tiddlywiki.info file. It doesn't contain the >>>>>>>>> plugins needed for the server edition to operate. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The fix is to re-initialise the wiki folder with: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> tiddlywiki --init server >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Best wishes >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Jeremy >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 8:12 PM, Matabele <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> <https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-v1QYGdwriog/UxThqlYbi0I/AAAAAAAAAXQ/YD-2NThZoTc/s1600/start.jpg> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> <https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-d_cGllkexWQ/UxThPjGEA8I/AAAAAAAAAXI/tZiwtnwRa6A/s1600/tiddlywiki.info.jpg> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I start from the command line as shown - also shown my >>>>>>>>>> tiddlywiki.info >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Monday, March 3, 2014 8:21:33 PM UTC+2, Jeremy Ruston wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Hi Matabele >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Could you please show a copy of: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> * The batch file you're using to start the server >>>>>>>>>>> * The content of the tiddlywiki.info file in your wiki folder >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Also, what OS and browser are you using? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Many thanks >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Jeremy >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 2:20 PM, Matabele <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> One further observation - when refreshing the browser, I get a >>>>>>>>>>>> warning of the sort 'Do you want to leave this page - you may have >>>>>>>>>>>> unsaved >>>>>>>>>>>> changes' (varies a little with different browsers.) Can't remember >>>>>>>>>>>> if this >>>>>>>>>>>> happened when it was saving. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, March 3, 2014 4:09:07 PM UTC+2, Matabele wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> No further progress I'm afraid. Last evening I ran a number of >>>>>>>>>>>>> tests - dropping a new tiddler in or creating a new tiddler then >>>>>>>>>>>>> restarting >>>>>>>>>>>>> the server - all worked fine over a number of cycles. Today, >>>>>>>>>>>>> nothing saves >>>>>>>>>>>>> no matter what I try (no messages in the terminal either) :-( >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, March 2, 2014 8:47:45 PM UTC+2, Jeremy Ruston wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Matabele >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I noticed no messages with 5.0.7 - the updates appeared to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> save transparently. Yesterday, after upgrading to 5.0.8, I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> noticed nothing >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unusual, but kept losing updates whilst I was editing cloned >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> themes. On >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> firing up this morning, not only the latest themes were lost, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but also a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> couple of other tiddlers I had updated (it also appears that a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> couple of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the lost themes re-appeared - as I had several older versions >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> themes.) Only after that did I deliberately experiment by >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> closing the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> server and refreshing after updating a few tiddlers. Behaviour >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is erratic - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at this stage I can't see why some tiddlers save and others >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's frustrating, I'd appreciate any further updates. I'd >>>>>>>>>>>>>> recommend reviewing the messages in the terminal window to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> verify when >>>>>>>>>>>>>> files have been successfully written to disc. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I presume this may be due to a clash with the new auto >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> update feature (in the stand alone version, I see occasional >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> messages.) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> The new autosave mechanism only kicks in in the standalone >>>>>>>>>>>>>> configuration. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I shall keep a look out to see if I notice anything else. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Many thanks >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jeremy >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> regards >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, March 2, 2014 6:56:44 PM UTC+2, Jeremy Ruston >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Matabele & Mario, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To confirm that I was mistaken above: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * 5.0.7-beta and before do not create a missing >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tiddlywiki.info file, they just fall back to default values >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * therefore, you may well need to use `tiddlywiki myfolder >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --init server` to create a tiddlywiki.info file for an >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> existing wiki >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > There appear to be problems with saving - some updates >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are saved whilst others are lost. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can you give more details? What messages if any do you see >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on the terminal, and in the browser console window? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best wishes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jeremy >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Mar 2, 2014 at 4:51 PM, Matabele < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There appear to be problems with saving - some updates are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> saved whilst others are lost. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, March 1, 2014 10:38:40 AM UTC+2, Matabele >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-L6_RKEKJ6No/UxGb0Ev5McI/AAAAAAAAAWc/N1hOQNUHG9o/s1600/upgrade+v5.0.8_beta+on+node.jpg> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On upgrading to v5.0.8_b (linux os) - this is what I see >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - any ideas? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from it, send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> /tiddlywiki. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/grou >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ps/opt_out. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jeremy Ruston >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mailto:[email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jeremy Ruston >>>>>>>>>>>>>> mailto:[email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> Jeremy Ruston >>>>>>>>>>> mailto:[email protected] >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> Jeremy Ruston >>>>>>>>> mailto:[email protected] >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Jeremy Ruston >>>>>>> mailto:[email protected] >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Jeremy Ruston >>>> mailto:[email protected] >>>> >>> -- Jeremy Ruston mailto:[email protected] -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
