Hi Jeremy, Again save/sync problems.
Now I get - after some time not editing - messages about "Draft of new tiddlers" while I don't see an open draft tiddler. >From that time on it does not save anymore. GET http://localhost:8080/recipes/default/tiddlers.json [HTTP/1.1 200 OK 36ms] GET http://localhost:8080/recipes/default/tiddlers.json [HTTP/1.1 200 OK 34ms] GET http://localhost:8080/recipes/default/tiddlers.json [HTTP/1.1 200 OK 44ms] GET http://localhost:8080/recipes/default/tiddlers.json [HTTP/1.1 200 OK 41ms] PUT http://localhost:8080/recipes/default/tiddlers/Draft%20of%20%27New%20Tiddler%27 [HTTP/1.1 204 OK 1ms] no element found Draft%20of%20%27New%20Tiddler%27:1 PUT http://localhost:8080/recipes/default/tiddlers/New%20Tiddler [HTTP/1.1 204 OK 1ms] no element found New%20Tiddler:1 PUT http://localhost:8080/recipes/default/tiddlers/Draft%20of%20%27New%20Tiddler%27 [HTTP/1.1 204 OK 1ms] no element found Draft%20of%20%27New%20Tiddler%27:1 PUT http://localhost:8080/recipes/default/tiddlers/Draft%20of%20%27New%20Tiddler%27 [HTTP/1.1 204 OK 1ms] no element found Draft%20of%20%27New%20Tiddler%27:1 PUT http://localhost:8080/recipes/default/tiddlers/Draft%20of%20%27New%20Tiddler%27 [HTTP/1.1 204 OK 1ms] no element found Draft%20of%20%27New%20Tiddler%27:1 The Windows command windows shows the same kind of messages: syncer-server: Dispatching 'save' task: Draft of 'New Tiddler' FileSystem: Saved file D:\Data\TiddlyWiki\TW5\_TW5_Node\TW5Help\tiddlers/ Draft of 'New Tiddler'.tid syncer-server: Dispatching 'save' task: Draft of 'New Tiddler' FileSystem: Saved file D:\Data\TiddlyWiki\TW5\_TW5_Node\TW5Help\tiddlers/ Draft of 'New Tiddler'.tid Hope that helps. Cheers, Ton On Friday, March 21, 2014 6:48:28 PM UTC+1, Jeremy Ruston wrote: > > Hi Ton > > Thanks for the report. There's a fix for one of the outstanding sync > problems in 5.0.9, courtesy of this pull request from buggyj: > > https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/pull/496 > > That fix concerns tiddlers that get deleted while there is still a pending > save to the server. I think the situation you describe is a different > problem, and we'll continue to investigate. > > Best wishes > > Jeremy > > > > > > On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 5:04 PM, Ton Gerner <[email protected]<javascript:> > > wrote: > >> Hi Jeremy, >> >> Since a few days I am again playing around with TW5 and node.js (Windows >> 7, Firefox v28, TW5.0.8-beta). >> A few times I noted that changes were not saved, but I didn't have the >> console open so could not check messages. >> >> Today it happened again while I had the console open (and the Windows >> command window open). >> Like Matabele I get the impression that after a certain (idle?) time it >> just stops syncing without errors in the console. >> >> Everything worked OK, I didn't do any editing for an hour or so and when >> I restarted editing nothing was saved. >> Normally I see PUT messages, when idle I see GET messages in the console. >> When it does not save I only see GET messages (once a minute a new one). >> >> The Windows command window just stops with "syncer-server: Dispatching >> 'save' task" messages. >> >> Luckily I made every time an offline copy, so I did not lose anything, >> but this way I don't see any advantages over a standalone version ;-) >> >> I know this does not help you that much (without any message in the >> console). >> Just to let you know the problem was found by another person as well. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Ton >> >> >> >> On Wednesday, March 12, 2014 4:41:24 PM UTC+1, Matabele wrote: >>> >>> Hi >>> >>> Thanks - I've developed various techniques for saving my work for the >>> time being - would like to track down the problem though. I don't think >>> this was happening (at least I didn't notice), before the upgrade to >>> v5.0.8-beta. I have tried all kinds of tests, creating and deleting >>> tiddlers, leaving some tiddlers open whilst creating and deleting tiddlers >>> etc. Haven't managed to track this down to any action. >>> >>> As I mentioned, a server that stands completely idle from initial start >>> (other than opening the TW on the browser) may not function after some >>> delay. The fault seems to appear at completely random moments - at times >>> one server might function for hours without a problem, whilst another >>> develops the fault quickly. Meanwhile another idle server develops the >>> fault before first use. >>> >>> Unfortunately there are no anomalous messages in the terminal - all >>> seems to function correctly until the moment of failure. >>> >>> There are a few other issues with saving: I have lost tiddlers on >>> occasion when saving (sort of deletes instead of saves - but the appearance >>> is not the same) and on occasions duplicate copies of tiddlers appear in >>> the Recent tab (deleting one usually deletes both.) These errors report a >>> syncing error in the terminal. This does not, however, appear to be related >>> to the saving failure, else these syncing error messages should appear last >>> in the terminal before each failure. >>> >>> I shall report any further observations. >>> >>> regards >>> >>> On Wednesday, March 12, 2014 2:27:38 PM UTC+2, Jeremy Ruston wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi Matabele >>>> >>>> I could do with some help to track this down, I've had similar reports >>>> in the past that I have been unable to reliably duplicate. It was the >>>> driver for the increased logging in 5.0.8. >>>> >>>> The open copy of the TW appears to be aware of the breakdown - when >>>>> closing or refreshing the page, a warning is issued to the effect that >>>>> there are unsaved changes. However, the only way to restore saving is to >>>>> restart the server and refresh the page (thus losing any edits since the >>>>> server ceased to function.) >>>>> >>>> >>>> You can save your modified tiddlers as a standalone file via the >>>> control panel "Server" tab. Then you can open the standalone file in the >>>> browser and drag tiddlers back into your online wiki once you've restarted >>>> the server. >>>> >>>> Best wishes >>>> >>>> Jeremy. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hope this helps identify the problem. >>>>> >>>>> regards >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 2014 11:52:21 PM UTC+2, Jeremy Ruston wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi Matabele >>>>>> >>>>>> The problem is your tiddlywiki.info file. It doesn't contain the >>>>>> plugins needed for the server edition to operate. >>>>>> >>>>>> The fix is to re-initialise the wiki folder with: >>>>>> >>>>>> tiddlywiki --init server >>>>>> >>>>>> Best wishes >>>>>> >>>>>> Jeremy >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 8:12 PM, Matabele <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> <https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-v1QYGdwriog/UxThqlYbi0I/AAAAAAAAAXQ/YD-2NThZoTc/s1600/start.jpg> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> <https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-d_cGllkexWQ/UxThPjGEA8I/AAAAAAAAAXI/tZiwtnwRa6A/s1600/tiddlywiki.info.jpg> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I start from the command line as shown - also shown my >>>>>>> tiddlywiki.info >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Monday, March 3, 2014 8:21:33 PM UTC+2, Jeremy Ruston wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi Matabele >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Could you please show a copy of: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> * The batch file you're using to start the server >>>>>>>> * The content of the tiddlywiki.info file in your wiki folder >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Also, what OS and browser are you using? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Many thanks >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Jeremy >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 2:20 PM, Matabele <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> One further observation - when refreshing the browser, I get a >>>>>>>>> warning of the sort 'Do you want to leave this page - you may have >>>>>>>>> unsaved >>>>>>>>> changes' (varies a little with different browsers.) Can't remember if >>>>>>>>> this >>>>>>>>> happened when it was saving. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Monday, March 3, 2014 4:09:07 PM UTC+2, Matabele wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> No further progress I'm afraid. Last evening I ran a number of >>>>>>>>>> tests - dropping a new tiddler in or creating a new tiddler then >>>>>>>>>> restarting >>>>>>>>>> the server - all worked fine over a number of cycles. Today, nothing >>>>>>>>>> saves >>>>>>>>>> no matter what I try (no messages in the terminal either) :-( >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, March 2, 2014 8:47:45 PM UTC+2, Jeremy Ruston wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Hi Matabele >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I noticed no messages with 5.0.7 - the updates appeared to save >>>>>>>>>>>> transparently. Yesterday, after upgrading to 5.0.8, I noticed >>>>>>>>>>>> nothing >>>>>>>>>>>> unusual, but kept losing updates whilst I was editing cloned >>>>>>>>>>>> themes. On >>>>>>>>>>>> firing up this morning, not only the latest themes were lost, but >>>>>>>>>>>> also a >>>>>>>>>>>> couple of other tiddlers I had updated (it also appears that a >>>>>>>>>>>> couple of >>>>>>>>>>>> the lost themes re-appeared - as I had several older versions of >>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>> themes.) Only after that did I deliberately experiment by closing >>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>> server and refreshing after updating a few tiddlers. Behaviour is >>>>>>>>>>>> erratic - >>>>>>>>>>>> at this stage I can't see why some tiddlers save and others don't. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> That's frustrating, I'd appreciate any further updates. I'd >>>>>>>>>>> recommend reviewing the messages in the terminal window to verify >>>>>>>>>>> when >>>>>>>>>>> files have been successfully written to disc. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I presume this may be due to a clash with the new auto update >>>>>>>>>>>> feature (in the stand alone version, I see occasional messages.) >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> The new autosave mechanism only kicks in in the standalone >>>>>>>>>>> configuration. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I shall keep a look out to see if I notice anything else. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Many thanks >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Jeremy >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> regards >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, March 2, 2014 6:56:44 PM UTC+2, Jeremy Ruston wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Matabele & Mario, >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> To confirm that I was mistaken above: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> * 5.0.7-beta and before do not create a missing >>>>>>>>>>>>> tiddlywiki.info file, they just fall back to default values >>>>>>>>>>>>> * therefore, you may well need to use `tiddlywiki myfolder >>>>>>>>>>>>> --init server` to create a tiddlywiki.info file for an >>>>>>>>>>>>> existing wiki >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > There appear to be problems with saving - some updates are >>>>>>>>>>>>> saved whilst others are lost. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Can you give more details? What messages if any do you see on >>>>>>>>>>>>> the terminal, and in the browser console window? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Best wishes >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Jeremy >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Mar 2, 2014 at 4:51 PM, Matabele <[email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>>> > wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> There appear to be problems with saving - some updates are >>>>>>>>>>>>>> saved whilst others are lost. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, March 1, 2014 10:38:40 AM UTC+2, Matabele wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-L6_RKEKJ6No/UxGb0Ev5McI/AAAAAAAAAWc/N1hOQNUHG9o/s1600/upgrade+v5.0.8_beta+on+node.jpg> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On upgrading to v5.0.8_b (linux os) - this is what I see - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any ideas? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from >>>>>>>>>>>>>> it, send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki >>>>>>>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/grou >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ps/opt_out. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>> Jeremy Ruston >>>>>>>>>>>>> mailto:[email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> Jeremy Ruston >>>>>>>>>>> mailto:[email protected] >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Jeremy Ruston >>>>>>>> mailto:[email protected] >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Jeremy Ruston >>>>>> mailto:[email protected] >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Jeremy Ruston >>>> mailto:[email protected] >>>> >>> > > > -- > Jeremy Ruston > mailto:[email protected] <javascript:> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. 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