Also any logs from the server NodeJS would be helpful. Would more than one person be editing at the same time?
On Jan 17, 2017 09:27, "Russell Cosway" <russellcosimp...@gmail.com> wrote: > I have started to suffer this now. I am on a MacMini running MacOS Sierra > 10.12.2. I use Firefox 50.1.0 and autosave is enabled; I only used Firefox > for TW work. TW version is 5.1.13 and is on a node.js hosted on AWS - I > didn't set that up but could get the server setup details is needed. > > I have had no browser crashes and I can see no recreatable pattern of > circumstances. I have literally watched the text of the tiddler disappear > in front of my eyes. Due to the inter-relationships i'm working on i may > have 10 tiddlers open at once, maybe 2-5 of those in draft. However, the > loss occurs when I have saved and the TW tick has gone from red to grey - > soon after saving a tiddler, either that tiddler or another I have open > clears. There are no "drafts" of the lost tiddler left. The tags and last > saved information remains intact, just the text is cleared. The json > export shows it as "". > > I too have now lost hours of work and considering my options to produce my > wiki, so any insights and improvements would welcomed. > R > > On Tuesday, December 27, 2016 at 12:00:25 AM UTC, Arlen Beiler wrote: >> >> It may be a bug, and we may need to look into it. >> >> See my link in the last post, or quoted below, showing how to use NodeJS >> data folders with Electron so it saves correctly. >> >> Please do take all reasonable precautions in using this as well, and I >> can't warrent that it is perfect, but it's for your reference. >> >> Enjoy :) >> -Arlen >> >> On Dec 24, 2016 20:47, "Dmitry Sokolov" <dmitry.v...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> I see dropping modified tiddler as a bug. >> >> I am intensively working with PBWorks at the moment (while preparing >> transfer to TW in future). >> PBWorks gives you all indicators of the processes taking place. I know, >> for example, that saving finished when a URL with no "edit" appeared. Then, >> it's safe to close the window. >> Another protection measures they have is a warning dialogue on closing >> page being edited, before the save button pressed. >> >> I think, we have to learn best practices from other platforms, collect >> them within just one platform, and implement as soon as practical. >> Sorry for being persistent with the simple idea: >> our team performance depends on how quick particular topics are >> found/discovered for reuse. >> Please let me know if this mechanism is already realised, and that's just >> me who can't see it. >> >> Thank you, >> Dmitry >> >> >> On Saturday, 24 December 2016 10:17:50 UTC+13, Arlen Beiler wrote: >> >>> I just had an idea. The way the NodeJS server currently works is >>> asynchronous. It syncs with the server and then returns to the browser. >>> Then the server syncs to the file system and returns. If there would have >>> been a time where you closed your draft, waited for the check mark to turn >>> grey, and then immediately exited, it is possible that the server could >>> have missed writing the files. Try to see if you can replicate it like >>> this. If so, that may be the problem. >>> >>> The way I dealt with that was to hack tiddlywiki (forget how, but I >>> think involved some of the first code in boot.js or bootprefix.js) so that >>> it would save directly to the file system from the browser. >>> >>> Here's a gist that I posted https://gist.github.com >>> /Arlen22/45f1a460c9e348fa50ad >>> >>> For electron you would set the data directory in index.html, then open >>> index.html in a new BrowserWindow. And your done. The file syncer actually >>> takes care of saving changes, so it should stay red until the file actually >>> gets saved. >>> >>> On Thu, Dec 22, 2016 at 9:51 AM, 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki < >>> tiddl...@googlegroups.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Not necessarily a bug in TW per se. No one ever promised (that I know >>>> of) that it would work on Electron. Definitely no one promised that it >>>> would work with a custom version of Electron and if it's on a custom branch >>>> of TW5 that depends on sensing its platform --- all bets are off. >>>> >>>> Just depending on small desktop web/file servers (like node.js) has >>>> always been risky in my experience. The hardware and the software may not >>>> be robust enough in all situations. Usually, there are time lags. Your >>>> machine may prioritize your email or web browsing over the web server. If >>>> you shut down your machine or server before a save has completed (which >>>> might happen if you have a 3 or 5 page tiddler) then the chances are even >>>> greater. The trick in that situation would be to either save your own copy >>>> of current work locally or to break the work into smaller chunks. The >>>> editing tools in TW5 make working with smaller chunks easier than before. >>>> >>>> If you check the forum, you will see that reports of actual data loss >>>> are fairly rare. The file-based TW seems to save itself reliably. To be an >>>> actual bug you would need to see a repeatable set of standard circumstances >>>> under which TW fails to save. >>>> >>>> Have fun, >>>> Mark >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thursday, December 22, 2016 at 4:30:15 AM UTC-8, Arlen Beiler wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Nevertheless, this is a bug. TiddlyWiki should never lose changes no >>>>> matter how big the Tiddler is. Thanks for the info, though. I hope we can >>>>> find any problems that are causing it. >>>>> >>>>> I have frankly never just used the draft idea before, I always save >>>>> the Tiddler when I am done writing. And I would recommend doing that >>>>> normally. However, it seems you are supposed to be able to save a draft >>>>> and >>>>> come back to it later. >>>>> >>>>> On Dec 12, 2016 14:24, "Bruno Loff" <bruno...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Yes it was. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Monday, 12 December 2016 19:46:54 UTC+1, Mark S. wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> But, was all that work -- 3 to 5 pages -- in a single tiddler? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Mark >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Monday, December 12, 2016 at 9:13:45 AM UTC-8, Bruno Loff wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Tiddlywiki was running on electron v1.4 on Arch Linux; the server >>>>>>>> side was running on electron's server (a node.js process), and the >>>>>>>> webpage >>>>>>>> was running on electron's chromium process. So all of it was localhost. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I was working on a slightly modified fork ( >>>>>>>> https://github.com/bloff/TiddlyWiki5), that included a minimal >>>>>>>> change to detect when TW was running under electron. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It also included various plugins that I wrote/modified to serve my >>>>>>>> purposes (customized katex plugin, a plugin for managing bibtex >>>>>>>> citations, >>>>>>>> and a plugin to interface with electron), which is roughly keeping >>>>>>>> track of >>>>>>>> my mathematical writeups, lecture-notes, etc. but I don't think these >>>>>>>> were >>>>>>>> to blame. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 14 of work amounted to roughly 3-5 pages. 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