I see dropping modified tiddler as a bug. I am intensively working with PBWorks at the moment (while preparing transfer to TW in future). PBWorks gives you all indicators of the processes taking place. I know, for example, that saving finished when a URL with no "edit" appeared. Then, it's safe to close the window. Another protection measures they have is a warning dialogue on closing page being edited, before the save button pressed.
I think, we have to learn best practices from other platforms, collect them within just one platform, and implement as soon as practical. Sorry for being persistent with the simple idea: our team performance depends on how quick particular topics are found/discovered for reuse. Please let me know if this mechanism is already realised, and that's just me who can't see it. Thank you, Dmitry On Saturday, 24 December 2016 10:17:50 UTC+13, Arlen Beiler wrote: > > I just had an idea. The way the NodeJS server currently works is > asynchronous. It syncs with the server and then returns to the browser. > Then the server syncs to the file system and returns. If there would have > been a time where you closed your draft, waited for the check mark to turn > grey, and then immediately exited, it is possible that the server could > have missed writing the files. Try to see if you can replicate it like > this. If so, that may be the problem. > > The way I dealt with that was to hack tiddlywiki (forget how, but I think > involved some of the first code in boot.js or bootprefix.js) so that it > would save directly to the file system from the browser. > > Here's a gist that I posted > https://gist.github.com/Arlen22/45f1a460c9e348fa50ad > > For electron you would set the data directory in index.html, then open > index.html in a new BrowserWindow. And your done. The file syncer actually > takes care of saving changes, so it should stay red until the file actually > gets saved. > > On Thu, Dec 22, 2016 at 9:51 AM, 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki < > tiddl...@googlegroups.com <javascript:>> wrote: > >> Not necessarily a bug in TW per se. No one ever promised (that I know of) >> that it would work on Electron. Definitely no one promised that it would >> work with a custom version of Electron and if it's on a custom branch of >> TW5 that depends on sensing its platform --- all bets are off. >> >> Just depending on small desktop web/file servers (like node.js) has >> always been risky in my experience. The hardware and the software may not >> be robust enough in all situations. Usually, there are time lags. Your >> machine may prioritize your email or web browsing over the web server. If >> you shut down your machine or server before a save has completed (which >> might happen if you have a 3 or 5 page tiddler) then the chances are even >> greater. The trick in that situation would be to either save your own copy >> of current work locally or to break the work into smaller chunks. The >> editing tools in TW5 make working with smaller chunks easier than before. >> >> If you check the forum, you will see that reports of actual data loss >> are fairly rare. The file-based TW seems to save itself reliably. To be an >> actual bug you would need to see a repeatable set of standard circumstances >> under which TW fails to save. >> >> Have fun, >> Mark >> >> >> On Thursday, December 22, 2016 at 4:30:15 AM UTC-8, Arlen Beiler wrote: >>> >>> Nevertheless, this is a bug. TiddlyWiki should never lose changes no >>> matter how big the Tiddler is. Thanks for the info, though. I hope we can >>> find any problems that are causing it. >>> >>> I have frankly never just used the draft idea before, I always save the >>> Tiddler when I am done writing. And I would recommend doing that normally. >>> However, it seems you are supposed to be able to save a draft and come back >>> to it later. >>> >>> On Dec 12, 2016 14:24, "Bruno Loff" <bruno...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Yes it was. >>>> >>>> On Monday, 12 December 2016 19:46:54 UTC+1, Mark S. wrote: >>>>> >>>>> But, was all that work -- 3 to 5 pages -- in a single tiddler? >>>>> >>>>> Mark >>>>> >>>>> On Monday, December 12, 2016 at 9:13:45 AM UTC-8, Bruno Loff wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Tiddlywiki was running on electron v1.4 on Arch Linux; the server >>>>>> side was running on electron's server (a node.js process), and the >>>>>> webpage >>>>>> was running on electron's chromium process. So all of it was localhost. >>>>>> >>>>>> I was working on a slightly modified fork ( >>>>>> https://github.com/bloff/TiddlyWiki5), that included a minimal >>>>>> change to detect when TW was running under electron. >>>>>> >>>>>> It also included various plugins that I wrote/modified to serve my >>>>>> purposes (customized katex plugin, a plugin for managing bibtex >>>>>> citations, >>>>>> and a plugin to interface with electron), which is roughly keeping track >>>>>> of >>>>>> my mathematical writeups, lecture-notes, etc. but I don't think these >>>>>> were >>>>>> to blame. >>>>>> >>>>>> 14 of work amounted to roughly 3-5 pages. 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