On Jun 9, 6:52 pm, Alex Hough <[email protected]> wrote: > The tag tree plugin is good, but it requires external files. For me > this is very important. It will always be an 'outsider' in my book if > I have to start making folders with files in them. (I was under the > impression that it is in development to this end.).
You are out of date. This is not true if you look at http://twt-treeview.tiddlyspot.com/ You will find there are no external files except those to replace embedded images that IE does not recognize. It works in IE (with help as stated) Firefox, Chrome and Opera even in its early stage. Many plugins at this stage have not. Nevertheless that is nitpicking and distracts from the general theme of the issue. > I'm a user not a developer. I think that your observation is not right > about a drift between developers and users. On my recent trip to visit > the Osmoplex people, I was treated like a royal visitor. To say that > they are not respecfull of end users is unfair and not consistent with > my experience. I did not say they were disrespectful only dismissive by ignoring an historical event and an early achievement. Besides your personal treatment as a visitor has nothing to do with my observations. The global nature of TiddlyWiki should not require a personal visit for an acknowledgment of achievement, it never has before. Whether the Treeview plugin is the absolute first plugin using jQuery or not it is the first of general interest and usability to the larger community filling a need and want and should have been at least acknowledged. It is a good example of what end users could expect from the far reaching changes jQuery might bring and one would think it would be acknowledged and encouraged. I have only asked what is fair and proper. Then again I am not the most loved person here since I say what I think, right or wrong. But that should not matter to fair minded people who should welcome debate wherever and from whomever it may come. Dedication to code and development is only a means to an end, and that end is people, who are human, with all of the needs humans have, recognition is one of them and it costs nothing to give. That's all I am saying. Your defense of others is welcome, at least you spoke up with your opinion. And while it didn't agree with mine at least you weren't silent. If I am wrong in wanting something that is fair and proper for someone else then I am content in being wrong. Morris On Jun 9, 6:52 pm, Alex Hough <[email protected]> wrote: > Morris, > > It is indeed a cool plugin > > I think there is a few others which might be the first JQuery Plugins > though. VisioWiki has some. TiddlyDocs has a JQuery tree menu. FND's > awesome idea of quake like navigation the ViPlugin and also his > listNav menu uses use of jQuery. > > The tag tree plugin is good, but it requires external files. For me > this is very important. It will always be an 'outsider' in my book if > I have to start making folders with files in them. (I was under the > impression that it is in development to this end.) > > I'm a user not a developer. I think that your observation is not right > about a drift between developers and users. On my recent trip to visit > the Osmoplex people, I was treated like a royal visitor. To say that > they are not respecfull of end users is unfair and not consistent with > my experience. > > Alex > > 2009/6/9 Morris Gray <[email protected]>: > > > > > > > I'm wondering if the first jQuery plugin since jQuery was implemented > > into the TiddlyWiki core isn't worth someone acknowledging? > > > I did implement it into a TiddlyWiki but ask nothing for myself since > > its existence was easy for me to do, as it would have been for anyone, > > and I have been a devils advocate of it, but grasped its potential and > > have been converted. > > > But the generation of the very first practical jQuery plugin, as > > amateurish as it may or may not be, is historical. > > > MarkS is not a usual developer but made the attempt because he wanted > > it himself and was intrigued by the possibilities as we all have been > > form time to time/ > > > What happened to the praise, acknowledgment and encouragement that > > made TiddlyWiki what it is? Has the divide between developers and the > > end users, which are the only thing that really matters, become so > > great that they can't even be bothered to at least acknowledge a new > > innovation? > > > Mark deserves praise and encouragement from the ones who had the > > foresight to implement jQuery in the first place. Why haven't they at > > least seen this as a vindication of their decision and acknowledged it > > publicly? > > > Is not the ultimate goal of all of the developer's efforts not to the > > benefit of the end user ? Then why not acknowledge it when it occurs > > from someone who may be outside of it? > > > What happened to the comradery and generosity? > > > Why not give credit where credit is due? The silence is cruel. > > > Morris > > --http://www.multiurl.com/g/64 --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWikiDev" group. 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