Hey Morris, >Then again I am not the most loved person here since I say what I think, right >or wrong. I think you are highly loved!
Alex 2009/6/9 Morris Gray <[email protected]>: > > On Jun 9, 6:52 pm, Alex Hough <[email protected]> wrote: > >> The tag tree plugin is good, but it requires external files. For me >> this is very important. It will always be an 'outsider' in my book if >> I have to start making folders with files in them. (I was under the >> impression that it is in development to this end.). > > You are out of date. This is not true if you look at > http://twt-treeview.tiddlyspot.com/ > You will find there are no external files except those to replace > embedded images that IE does not recognize. It works in IE (with help > as stated) Firefox, Chrome and Opera even in its early stage. Many > plugins at this stage have not. Nevertheless that is nitpicking and > distracts from the general theme of the issue. > >> I'm a user not a developer. I think that your observation is not right >> about a drift between developers and users. On my recent trip to visit >> the Osmoplex people, I was treated like a royal visitor. To say that >> they are not respecfull of end users is unfair and not consistent with >> my experience. > > I did not say they were disrespectful only dismissive by ignoring an > historical event and an early achievement. Besides your personal > treatment as a visitor has nothing to do with my observations. The > global nature of TiddlyWiki should not require a personal visit for an > acknowledgment of achievement, it never has before. > > Whether the Treeview plugin is the absolute first plugin using jQuery > or not it is the first of general interest and usability to the larger > community filling a need and want and should have been at least > acknowledged. It is a good example of what end users could expect > from the far reaching changes jQuery might bring and one would think > it would be acknowledged and encouraged. > > I have only asked what is fair and proper. Then again I am not the > most loved person here since I say what I think, right or wrong. But > that should not matter to fair minded people who should welcome debate > wherever and from whomever it may come. Dedication to code and > development is only a means to an end, and that end is people, who are > human, with all of the needs humans have, recognition is one of them > and it costs nothing to give. That's all I am saying. > > Your defense of others is welcome, at least you spoke up with your > opinion. And while it didn't agree with mine at least you weren't > silent. > > If I am wrong in wanting something that is fair and proper for someone > else then I am content in being wrong. > > Morris > > > > > > > > > On Jun 9, 6:52 pm, Alex Hough <[email protected]> wrote: >> Morris, >> >> It is indeed a cool plugin >> >> I think there is a few others which might be the first JQuery Plugins >> though. VisioWiki has some. TiddlyDocs has a JQuery tree menu. FND's >> awesome idea of quake like navigation the ViPlugin and also his >> listNav menu uses use of jQuery. >> >> The tag tree plugin is good, but it requires external files. For me >> this is very important. It will always be an 'outsider' in my book if >> I have to start making folders with files in them. (I was under the >> impression that it is in development to this end.) >> >> I'm a user not a developer. I think that your observation is not right >> about a drift between developers and users. On my recent trip to visit >> the Osmoplex people, I was treated like a royal visitor. To say that >> they are not respecfull of end users is unfair and not consistent with >> my experience. >> >> Alex >> >> 2009/6/9 Morris Gray <[email protected]>: >> >> >> >> >> >> > I'm wondering if the first jQuery plugin since jQuery was implemented >> > into the TiddlyWiki core isn't worth someone acknowledging? >> >> > I did implement it into a TiddlyWiki but ask nothing for myself since >> > its existence was easy for me to do, as it would have been for anyone, >> > and I have been a devils advocate of it, but grasped its potential and >> > have been converted. >> >> > But the generation of the very first practical jQuery plugin, as >> > amateurish as it may or may not be, is historical. >> >> > MarkS is not a usual developer but made the attempt because he wanted >> > it himself and was intrigued by the possibilities as we all have been >> > form time to time/ >> >> > What happened to the praise, acknowledgment and encouragement that >> > made TiddlyWiki what it is? Has the divide between developers and the >> > end users, which are the only thing that really matters, become so >> > great that they can't even be bothered to at least acknowledge a new >> > innovation? >> >> > Mark deserves praise and encouragement from the ones who had the >> > foresight to implement jQuery in the first place. Why haven't they at >> > least seen this as a vindication of their decision and acknowledged it >> > publicly? >> >> > Is not the ultimate goal of all of the developer's efforts not to the >> > benefit of the end user ? Then why not acknowledge it when it occurs >> > from someone who may be outside of it? >> >> > What happened to the comradery and generosity? >> >> > Why not give credit where credit is due? 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