Hi

Put a $35 eBay rubidium on board and you would have to be sure the time 
solution stayed correct as the take over was implemented. 

I know strange to tie timing into a discussion like this :)….

Bob


On Dec 15, 2011, at 8:20 PM, Jim Lux wrote:

> On 12/15/11 2:24 PM, Azelio Boriani wrote:
>> There are GPS simulators for lab use (never seen live or in a picture), I
>> suppose they have one connector to feed the GPS receiver antenna.
>> Generating in one equipment all the signals you don't need many but only
>> one precise timing source.
>> 
>> 
> 
> Not quite (there's a discussion of this on the list about a year or so ago)...
> 
> It's harder than you think to generate realistic fake signals for a moving 
> target.
> 
> At work (JPL) we have a fancy Spirent GPS simulator.  And sure enough, it can 
> generate all the signals your receiver would see given a particular path you 
> expect your receiver to follow.
> 
> But, in order to use that to provide a spoofing signal, you'd need to know 
> (fairly precisely)
> 
> a) the position and velocity of the victim
> b) the position and velocity(zero) of the jamming station
> 
> You calculate what the expected time,code phase, and doppler of the GPS 
> signals would be at the victim.  Then, you subtract out the time from jammer 
> to victim and the doppler from jammer to victim, and use that generate your 
> spoofing signal.
> 
> Then, the trajectory of the spoofed position has to be something that is 
> internally consistent (i.e. the acceleration, velocity, and position all have 
> to agree in the Kalman filter), and you have to continously update your 
> jamming signal with continuously updated position and velocity of the victim.
> 
> 
> Spoofing GPS is very hard.It was designed to be so, both for its original 
> military purposes and because you want internal consistency checks to make 
> sure you aren't displaying false information to a user.
> 
> Jamming GPS to deny it is relatively easy. A high power swept tone does it 
> very nicely on inexpensive receivers. There are more sophisticated 
> approaches.  You can buy them for $20 on the internet that plug into a car 
> cigarette lighter.  You get one of these jammers, put it on an airplane with 
> a big power amplifier and fly above your sovereign territory and you can deny 
> GPS to pretty much everyone underneath you. There are receiver designs that 
> can tolerate tone or swept or barrage jammers, but they are more expensive, 
> heavier, etc, and I suspect they wouldn't bother on a UAV.
> 
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