kT is indeed relevant for a physical implementation. - Mike Mike B. Feher, EOZ Inc. 89 Arnold Blvd. Howell, NJ, 07731 732-886-5960 office 908-902-3831 cell
-----Original Message----- From: time-nuts [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Richard (Rick) Karlquist Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2016 1:40 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement; [email protected]; [email protected] Cc: [email protected] Subject: Re: [time-nuts] State of the art of crystal oscillator measurements On 8/11/2016 5:01 AM, Mike Feher wrote: > This may be a naive question, but, how can you achieve results that > are so close to, and sometimes at further out are below kT? Thanks & > 73 - Mike > Mike B. Feher, EOZ Inc. > kT per see is not the relevant parameter. It is the ratio between kT and signal level that determines the limit on phase noise. Also, when you extract an oscillator signal through the resonator, then at offsets from the carrier, the resonator filters out noise and the output noise can be way below kT. Ulrich first published on this in 1977. Earliest reference I know of. I actually remember reading it in 1977. The old HP608 signal generator routinely produced far out phase noise floor well below kT. AFAIK, for this particular spec, it better than any other signal generator ever built. What's the secret? It has a tracking POST-selector filter that follows the oscillator when you turn the mechanical tuning knob. There is a little tracking adjustment knob to peak it. Not really magic. Rick _______________________________________________ time-nuts mailing list -- [email protected] To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. _______________________________________________ time-nuts mailing list -- [email protected] To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
