That is why I asked what the Po was. Where did the 177 come from? L(f) is 
single sided. This is not my first "rodeo" in these matters. 73 - Mike 

Mike B. Feher, EOZ Inc.
89 Arnold Blvd.
Howell, NJ, 07731
732-886-5960 office
908-902-3831 cell


-----Original Message-----
From: time-nuts [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of John Miles
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2016 4:22 PM
To: 'Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement'
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] State of the art of crystal oscillator measurements

Remember that L(f) is expressed in dBc/Hz, not dBm/Hz.  If it were dBm/Hz, then 
kT would be the limit.  But in dBc/Hz terms, the limit is 177 + the DUT's 
output power in dBm.  

Assuming a 50 ohm system, of course.

-- john, KE5FX
Miles Design LLC


> -----Original Message-----
> From: time-nuts [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Mike 
> Feher
> Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2016 12:51 PM
> To: 'Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement'; 
> [email protected]; [email protected]
> Cc: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [time-nuts] State of the art of crystal oscillator 
> measurements
> 
> kT is indeed relevant for a physical implementation. - Mike
> 
> Mike B. Feher, EOZ Inc.
> 89 Arnold Blvd.
> Howell, NJ, 07731
> 732-886-5960 office
> 908-902-3831 cell

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