On 1/7/18 9:55 AM, Jerry Hancock wrote:
As far as lazy, I will check my equipment.

When the others that replied using the term “lock” or “locked”, what do you 
mean by that?  That for instance, the external reference is multiplied up 
directly to the internal frequency (IF I suppose) or is it phase locked, for 
instance?  I’m sure there are other cases.

I’m trying to differentiate between two cases:

1) I apply an external reference at 10Mhz (assumed all the devices require 
10Mhz at a certain level) and using a switch of some type (electronic or 
manual) the reference is now multiplied and manipulated directly to feed stages 
of the device.  In this way, the phase noise of the device is very much 
dependent on the external reference.  So if a noisy external is used it impacts 
the device across all time values.

2) I apply an external reference and another oscillator, maybe the default or 
supplied internal 10Mhz (like a 10811, etc) is now EFC adjusted to phase lock 
to the external reference.  In this way, I would think the phase noise of the 
device would have been impacted less by the external reference (under the time 
constant of the PLL or EFC loop.

Either way, an oscillator with phase issues used as the external reference is 
going to have some impact on the device, correct?  I’m thinking of in the case 
where you use a GPSDO that doesn’t have a very good master oscillator.

Thanks,

I think #1 is the more common traditional approach - the external reference "substitutes" for the internal reference. This leads to all kinds of discussions about "should I use the counter's internal oscillator as the external reference for the spectrum analyzer or vice versa" - since counters usually have good AVAR and drift, but don't worry as much about close in phase noise, while spectrum analyzers are the opposite.

#2 is similar to what's going on inside the 33622, I think.


The differences in ultimate performance depend on what the various synthesis schemes are, whether loop based with a PLL or direct synthesis with dividers and multipliers.

And even if you know the scheme used in a particular piece of gear, the actual behavior is something you basically have to find by experimentation (or asking people who have tried it), since implementations are always "non-ideal".

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