I submit. I submit that we have long since passed beyond the realm of "Teaching in the Psychological Sciences" into a philosophical, sociocultural, and (dare I say it) moral debate. While I've been entertained and provoked (both thought-wise and emotion-wise) by some of the posts here (and all sides have raised good points), am I alone to suggest that all sides "submit" by ending it, at least in this list-wide forum? If I am in the minority, I will, of course, submit.... Submissively offered, David
At 09:20 AM 10/26/2001 -0500, James Guinee wrote: >Submit! > >Why is submit such a bad thing? Is it just something that >culturally, psychologically, tends to produce a reflexive >reaction that says �No way I submit to anything or anyone.� > >Granted we may differ in the extent, degree, and to whom we do >this to, but certainly we don�t see submission as the beast itself? >Do we? > >Isn�t submission putting your own agenda aside for someone >else�s, whether for a moment, or for a certain amount of time? >Isn�t that part of healthy relationships? > >Is there something psychologically terrible that some see in the >act of submission??? > >We submit all the time, don�t we? > >When my government sends me a 1040, I submit to the law and >complete it accurately. > >When the light turns red, I submit to the local authorities and stop. > >When my boss asks me for a report I submit to his leadership >and do it. > >And don�t couples mutually submit to each other, in some >sense? Haven�t you ever did something for your wife or >husband, even if you didn�t want to, for the greater good of the >family? > >Isn�t that part of the problem with marriages today � each person >wants it his/her way, and wants a spouse that will bend and >conform to his/her desires. I do a fair amount of marriage >counseling, and see a lot of conflicted couples who refuse to >submit to the greater good. Each wants the other one to grow >up, to accede to their wishes, etc., but is often unwilling to >respond in kind! > >Marriage is not just about finding the right person, it is being the >right person. It is giving and loving and serving. Non-religious >marriages may be more egalitarian, and therefore preferable, >but isn't there mutual submission occurring there too? > >After all, the biggest change in my marriage was learning to >submit to my wife�s needs and desires, and she to mine. > >When my wife asks me to take the kids to the grocery store >because she�s had them all day I submit to her wishes for the >greater good of the family. > >When my wife asks me to take the trash out every night because >she simply doesn�t want to, I submit to her request. > >I submit to my wife all the time, esp when I see her needs as >greater in that situation than mine. Any time she goes through a >period of unhappiness it may be partly due to my inability, >perhaps unwillingness, to ascertain how to fulfill some of her >needs. > >Certainly we�re not haggling over submission itself, are we? > >I submit the world becomes a better place with more of this >thang, not less. > >Jim > > > >************************************************************************ >Jim Guinee, Ph.D. > >Director of Training & Adjunct Professor >President, Arkansas College Counselor Association >University of Central Arkansas Counseling Center >313 Bernard Hall Conway, AR 72035 USA >(501) 450-3138 (office) (501) 450-3248 (fax) > >"No one can make you feel inferior without your consent" >-Eleanor Roosevelt >************************************************************************** > >--- >You are currently subscribed to tips as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] David T. Wasieleski, Ph.D. Associate Professor Department of Psychology and Counseling Valdosta State University 229-333-5620 http://chiron.valdosta.edu/dtwasieleski "There's a lot of people saying we'd be better off dead. Don't feel like Satan, but I am to them..." --Neil Young "Rockin' in the Free World" --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
