> From: "Hetzel, Rod" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> Louis makes some excellent points, but I find it hard to believe that
> the teacher is the sole person responsible for developing an enriching
> and educational environment in the classroom. 

I'm glad Louis clarified his position on this.  

Although it sounds like he still places much of the burden on us.  I have no 
problem with that -- we're in charge and the classroom should operate as if 
that were true.

> Some students are much
> more difficult to engage in the classroom or one-on-one in your office.

Yes, I agree.  I have no problem with continually examining myself in general
and as I relate to each and every student.  

But some students walk into the classroom predisposed to work with me.

I would certainly think the increased enrollments over the past 20-30 years
has been a boon and a bane to professors.  The downside seems to be 
more students who come to college without the proper tools and without
much enthusiasm.

How many of us have had a non-trad student in the classroom who admitted 
on one occasion "I went to college twenty years ago but didn't care."?

We can do a lot to get people more motivated but can't make people care.

> In fact, some students resist any type of engagement, regardless of what
> the professor does or who he or she is as a person.  To suggest that the
> professor has the sole responsibility for getting students excited about
> learning is similar to saying that a counselor is the sole person
> responsible for bringing about change in their clients.  

Interesting you brought that up -- I once read a text in grad school that made 
_that very argument._  What a way to motivate the trainee, huh?  Make 
him/her believe client attrition is all his/her fault!!

Anyhoo, I think there are three variables we should examine: teacher, 
student, and culture.

In our ever-increasing entertainment hungry culture I believe (and as 
someone on the list already suggested) we are fighting harder against a 
culture of students who believe that entertainment is part of education.

I myself sometimes worry that I have shifted in the past 10 years to being 
more funny, more trivial, and dumping things that are "boring" but just as 
important as other material, if not moreso.

I hate to think I might be adjusting my curriculum based on smiles.  

Know what I mean?

Rod, as a fellow churchgoer, I'm sure you might agree that even in the
pews the emphasis on entertainment has polluted the pulpit in the past 
generation.  I've heard this comment from many a preacher -- that there
is more of a press to be "funny" and "entertaining."

Now I wonder if there are any studies about THAT?

See ya,


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