Hi Rob: It is at our school. It is just a matter of operating procedures and not a matter of trust. I don't think anyone mistrusts you but it is the 'safe' way to do things--not all researchers might be as trustworthy as you are and CYA, in our litiginous society, is always a good code.
Sounds like you are doing everything else by SOP, I'm thrilled to see undergrad education students being taught the IRB ropes! We have a doctoral program in education at our school and you would be surprised how inexperienced most of the candidates are with procedures. I would not be hard on your IRB. They are probably a nice bunch of folks who give of their time and expertise freely and have only good intentions at heart :-) Annette Quoting Rob Weisskirch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > TIPSfolk, > > I have an IRB question. I have several students in a senior capstone > course who are planning to conduct innocuous interviews or surveys with > students in local public schools. All the students have prepared the > appropriate consents and assents as required by Human Subjects. The > school districts or schools do not have IRBs. These are not Psych > students but are Liberal Studies students (pre-Teacher Education). They > are making their research "public" by doing presentations in a public > senior capstone festival. > > However, in the Human Subjects application, when I conduct research, I > usually write that I will obtain written consent from the principal and if > he/she says that district approval is necessary, I will get that first > (and have told students to do the same). Now, the IRB is saying that > students have to submit the written approval from the principal with the > Human Subjects application. As the faculty co-sponsor, this seems quite > distrustful that I won't do my job to verify that the written consent is > obtained (Yes, I know students sometimes are eager and neglect this > step!). Also, doesn't that create a situation where a principal might say > yes to a project and the IRB requests substantial revision, requiring the > student to alter the approach significantly. I can't find anything that > specifically states that this has to be done prior to review. > > So, I guess the bottom line is: Procedurally, is it required to get > off-site approval prior to the IRB review? > > Thanks, > Rob > Rob Weisskirch, MSW, Ph.D. > Human Development Program > Department of Liberal Studies, Building 15 > 100 Campus Center > California State University, Monterey Bay > Seaside, CA 93955-8001 > (831) 582-5079 > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > --- > You are currently subscribed to tips as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Annette Kujawski Taylor, Ph. D. Department of Psychology University of San Diego 5998 Alcala Park San Diego, CA 92110 [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
