I haven't paid as careful attention to this discussion as I might, but I was wondering 
about critical flicker fusion and the role it could play. Does it have any bearing 
here>
Carol


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From:   Donald McBurney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent:   Tue 4/20/2004 10:38 AM
To:     Teaching in the Psychological Sciences
Cc:     
Subject:        Re: Wagon-wheel illusion again
Now that we are all congratulating ourselves on figuring out 
stroboscopic motion with steady illumination, let me throw a monkey 
wrench into the discussion.  Could it be the result of torsional 
nystagmus, which is (I think) rotation around the line of sight?  There 
is abnormal torsional nystagmus (and a Google search turned up tons of 
stuff), but it runs in my  mind that there is a normal torsional 
nystagmus that would tend to keep a rotating object (such as a wheel) 
stable on the retina (analogous to vestibular nystagmus in the 
horizontal plane). 
    don
    Donald McBurney
As usual, I don't have time to research this, but maybe Stephen does.  ;-)

Ken Steele wrote:

> Tom: Congratulations!
>
> Tom Allaway wrote:
>
>> To all, but especially Stephen, Doug and David:
>>
>>     I do believe I've got it!  The demonstration experiment involved, in
>> my case, a small kitchen device similar to a salad spinner, containing a
>> rotating perforated plastic tub.  When spun under a flourescent light,
>> it showed a clear "wagon wheel effect" (i.e., the temporary appearance
>> and reverse rotation of the perforations during deceleration).  I took
>> it outside, and there was no effect to be observed.  The crucial test:
>> with my only source being daylight, I applied to my skull a vibratory
>> stimulus, in the form of the business end of an electric toothbrush
>> (minus the brush part) pressed against my chin.  Violets!  There was the
>> wagon wheel effect!
>> Q.E.D.
>>
>> Let's hear it for empiricism.
>>
>>



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