I'm not denying that there aren't different skills associated with and/or distinguishable for each... I just thought it would be nice to discuss more specifically what they are... i.e., rather than simply stating what to me appears somewhat self-evident.

On Apr 11, 2006, at 2:20 PM, Deb Briihl wrote:

I've been reading this debate and I must side with Louis on this issue. There is research out there that has looked at experts and one factor that has been noted is that knowledge of the subject does NOT make a good teacher - these are separate skills and knowledge bases (pedagogical vs. subject or content matter). I know that I was trained to be a researcher, not a teacher. Our department is in the College of Education and ed students take courses in how to teach. In fact, there is some rule out there in Georgia now that states that a teacher that is not performing at satisfactory level (whatever that might be) can be sent back for further training (a money-back guarantee!). How many of us actually had more than one course on teaching? Mine was a 1 credit hour 1 semester class. This isn't to say that knowledge isn't important - just that there is more to teaching than that.

One on-line book that addresses some of these issues can be found here:
http://newton.nap.edu/html/howpeople1/index.html
Look under experts vs. novices section.

At 12:40 PM 4/11/2006 -0400, you wrote:
Louis,
Would you provide examples of the vastly different skills needed for
each?
Thanks.
-S

On Apr 11, 2006, at 12:37 PM, Louis Schmier wrote:

But all other things aren't equal.  Ph.D.s are overwhelmingly trained
as future scholars,
not as future classroom teachers.  Certainly to know it is important,
but just because you
know it doesn't mean you know how to teach it.  The skill set for
research and publication
are vastly different from those needed in the field of
teaching/learning.

Make it a good day.

      --Louis--


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