Dear Tipsters,
Could someone explain to me the logic behind the Christian claim that Christ's
dying pays for OUR sins?
Stuart
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From: Shearon, Tim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sat 22-Mar-08 2:01 PM
To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS)
Subject: RE: [tips] Help settle an argument
Mike (not Michael)- You are actually arguing against the literature, I think.
Surely the death (good Friday) was necessary. But both death and resurrection
were *necessary* to fulfill prophecy- thus, in that limited sense, you are
correct. But had it ended with death . . . (I am aware of that argument that
the resurrection is not possible without the death but that makes his
temptation equally important, or puberty, or lust, and is an argument that is
not well supported theologically, if memory of a long time ago works). The
resurrection was necessary AND fulfillment of prophecy (completion) thus is far
more important to most scholars of the new testament (or the New Testament-
starting with that Jewish guy, Paul). Michael- pay up! (In all honesty, I think
Mike has a point- but Michael made a bet that doesn't hold up. He asked which
was most important to Christianity which is a larger issue and includes the
practice of faith. Since one need only look for a tie breaker (both being
necessary) then the obvious differences in celebratory assembly would make you
have to pay up! Just mho.) :)
Tim
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Professor and Chair Department of Psychology
The College of Idaho
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teaching: intro to neuropsychology; psychopharmacology; general; history and
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"You can't teach an old dogma new tricks." Dorothy Parker
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From: Michael Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sat 3/22/2008 12:15 AM
To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS)
Subject: Re: [tips] Help settle an argument
I would say that you can keep your money as the question is unanswerable.
Christ died for the payment of sins; without which the entire teaching of
Christianity is pointless. Note that it was with the death that the payment of
sins was completed, not with the resurrection. Christ also noted that the point
of His life was to suffer and die (not to be raised again).
However, the resurrection 'validates' Christ's claims of being God incarnate,
the forgiveness of sins and whatever other teachings he proclaimed (e.g. that
He would later return to judge the living and the dead. (Since no one had
conquered death before or since--not even Houdini (without getting into an
argument about ancient stories of other resurrections.))
The resurrection of Christ also spells hope for a later resurrection of
Christians (and a consequent resurrection life), without which there seems
little point of forgiveness of sins.
An aside: Aren't many of the important issues in life circular in reasoning?
Even the meaning of words suffers from it.
--Mike
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Subject: [tips] Help settle an argument
To: "Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS)"
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Date: Friday, March 21, 2008, 1:10 PM
I say that Good Friday is the most important Christian event,but my
friend says it is Easter
Bible tipsters,please help.I have a $20 bet on this.
Michael Sylvester,PhD
Daytona Beach,Florida
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