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From: "Stuart McKelvie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS)" <[email protected]>
Subject: RE: [tips] Help settle an argument
Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 14:08:52 -0400


Dear Tipsters,
 
Could someone explain to me the logic behind the Christian claim that Christ's dying pays for OUR sins?
 
Stuart
 
 
Prior to my undergraduate years,I spent a couple of years as a member of the Order of the Cistercians of the Strict Observance (Trappists)
at the Abbey of Gethsemani in Kentucky.The contemplative Thomas Merton (gone but not forgotten) was my novice master.
The Trappist order followed a classical Benedictine rule and it was based on the idea of atonement-hence it was the only day that the monks praticed
a form of self-flaggelation (sp). I miss that whole Holy Week liturgy with that Gregorian chant.Also keep in mind that if Christ did not die on the cross
some folks would still be in Purgatory.
Btw,does not Good Friday coincide with a Jewish event-something about liberation from Turkish rule?
Brother Amadeus (My Trappist name)
Michael Sylvester,PhD
Daytona Beach,Florida
 
 
 



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From: Michael Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Sat 3/22/2008 12:15 AM
To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS)
Subject: Re: [tips] Help settle an argument
 
I would say that you can keep your money as the question is unanswerable.

Christ died for the payment of sins; without which the entire teaching of Christianity is pointless. Note that it was with the death that the payment of sins was completed, not with the resurrection. Christ also noted that the point of His life was to suffer and die (not to be raised again).

However, the resurrection 'validates' Christ's claims of being God incarnate, the forgiveness of sins and whatever other teachings he proclaimed (e.g. that He would later return to judge the living and the dead. (Since no one had conquered death before or since--not even Houdini (without getting into an argument about ancient stories of other resurrections.))

The resurrection of Christ also spells hope for a later resurrection of Christians (and a consequent resurrection life), without which there seems little point of forgiveness of sins.

An aside: Aren't many of the important issues in life circular in reasoning? Even the meaning of words suffers from it.

--Mike



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        Subject: [tips] Help settle an argument
        To: "Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS)" <[email protected]>
        Date: Friday, March 21, 2008, 1:10 PM
       
       

               
        I say that Good Friday is the most important Christian event,but my friend says  it is Easter
        
        Bible tipsters,please help.I have a  $20 bet on this.
        
        Michael Sylvester,PhD
        Daytona Beach,Florida

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