> > ST. LOUIS (AP) -- The Shroud of Turin is much older than some scientists
> > believe, according to researchers who used pollen and plant images to
> > conclude it dates from Jerusalem before the eighth century. 
> > 
> > The study gives a boost to those who believe the shroud is the burial
> > cloth of Jesus and contradicts a 1988 examination by scientists who said
> > the shroud was made between 1260 and 1390. 
> 
> Actually, if I didn't know Jim better, I'd say this was more an
> example of an attempt to publicize material on TIPS which supports a
> religious belief.

Stephen, while I am unshamedly evangelical, there is a time and place for 
that, and this definitely isn't one of them.  Besides, if you're going to espouse 
religious beliefs, this would be a poor way to do it, no?

> But to answer the question, it doesn't seem to me to be a particularly
> good example of science, especially in the speculative leap from data to
> conclusion. What it suggests is that the shroud was in the Middle East at
> some time or was in contact with plant material from that region. It
> provides no information about its date. 

I didn't think it was necessarily a good example of science, but perhaps 
interesting material for a discussion of how something like this may be (and 
has attempted to be) examined scientifically.

> > "The pollen association and the similarities in the blood stains in the
> > two cloths provide clear evidence that the shroud originated before the
> > eighth century," Danin said. 

I'm curious what Danin's religious beliefs (if any) are.  Can he be objective?

I wonder how much discussion this has engendered in the religious 
community.


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                            Dept. of Health Sciences
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