> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jon Stevens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2001 04:42
>
> on 1/17/01 7:43 PM, "Paulo Gaspar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > 1. You are flaming Costin again (is that harassment?);
>
> I don't see a flame there. I'm simply speaking truth. Costin's actions and
> statements have clearly shown that he believes in censorship. He
> even tried to bring up motions in the meeting to create censorship over
> what people say on the list.
You should. I am not even going to say what I think about the kind of
pressures you make.
> > 2. Whatever the PMC decided was not published yet. How can I disrespect
> > that.
>
> The PMC was attended by ~25 people and had open phone lines for which you
> could have listened in on. I have also told you what has been decided on.
> That is what you are disrespecting.
I already told you that I have a life out of Tomcat. Other priorities. What
part did you not understand.
> > What do you know about what my experience is?
>
> If you have experience then show it by acting like you do. So far, you
> haven't done any of that, therefore, I can conclude that you either cannot
> act like you have experience or you don't have any. My judgment call on
> that is that you don't have much experience.
Why do you judge so much?
Should I also tell what the way you act suggests?
It getting personal the way of Open Source (since you are so experient in
the "way of Open Source")?
> > "Costin and others"?
> > Give names, dates and complete the police work with some hard
> evidence that
> > allows you to proceed to an arrest!
>
> Ok, all of the people actively sending commits to Tomcat 3.x.
I see more support from Costin and those others than from you. That is
what I clearly see in the list.
> > AGAIN: What concrete evidence do you have that it will not?
>
> I have seen releases made in the past that have been buggy. For
> example 3.0.
> That actually hurt this project quite a bit by increasing the amount of
> support that was needed as well as the fact that in many people's mind, it
> set a precedent that people have been trying to combat for a long
> time...that Tomcat is slow and buggy and that the code is hard to
> understand
> and read.
Why does an already distant past say anything about the present?
I don't even think that the circumstance and people involved in 3.x HEAD are
the same as with 3.0. They are being quite systematic about bugs, did you
notice that?
Notice also that I got to an accepted name for 3.3 (3.x HEAD) without your
help. I am not getting anything constructive from you even when I ask.
Have fun,
Paulo Gaspar
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