Good points.
1) Google now has Usenet reading and posting. Anyone with port 80 and a
GUI browser can read / post to Usenet.
2) So, Gary, are you going to read the FAQ about creating a newsgroup and
hold the vote? All you have to do is post a RFD, wait, post a CFV, wait,
count the votes and then (assuming it's approved), get one of the
newsadmins to start the group.
It's all there in news.anwers
Will
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On Thu, 7 Jun 2001, Gary Dale wrote:
> Your points are well taken. However, in defence of newsgroups, this is a
> high-volume list that I think would be better handled as a newsgroup.
> 1) I think a lot of people aren't able to stay in the list continually
> due to the volume. There's a lot of subscribe, unsubscribe going on for
> people who need occaisional help.
> 2) the process of subscribing to a listserve can be a little off-putting
> and then there's the delay in getting getting on.
> 3) How many firewalls block all news groups? I wouldn't want to exclude
> anyone, but surely anyone in a position to be running a java server has
> access to newsgroups somehow.
> 4) Threaded discussions are better handled in newsgroups than listserves.
> 5) You can see the (recent) history before asking the same question that
> someone else asked a couple of days ago.
> 6) Yes, you can keep the mailing list going but hopefully a news group
> would open things up to whole new range of people while reducing the
> mail volume to something manageable.
>
>
> Milt Epstein wrote:
>
> >On Wed, 6 Jun 2001, Gary Dale wrote:
> >
> >>I'd prefer to see a news group rather than this mailing list.
> >>Something like comp.infosystems.www.servers.apache.jakarta or just
> >>comp.infosystems.www.servers.jakarta would be appropriate. For that
> >>matter, there should be comp.infosystems.www.servers.apache group
> >>too. The ms-windows and unix subgroups of www.servers aren't very
> >>appropriate since many of the issues relating to Apache are common
> >>to multiple OSs.
> >>
> >[ ... ]
> >
> >Seems to me, having a newsgroup is fine, but I don't see why it needs
> >to be an either/or thing. There is a procedure for creating
> >newsgroups, and if anyone wants to get the process started for a
> >tomcat/jakarta/apache newsgroup (or newsgroups), they're certainly
> >welcome to. But regardless of whether that happens (and/or succeeds,
> >which is certainly not a sure thing), there's no reason the mailing
> >list can't go on.
> >
> >Regarding moderating the mailing list, I don't think that is feasible.
> >For one thing, as some have suggested, it would take a lot of work, so
> >it would be hard to find people to do it. Plus philosophically, I'm
> >not sure we really want to go that route. And of course, there is a
> >list owner (that exists as an entity, if not a person or persons, even
> >if they don't show themselves around here much :-), and they'd get
> >final say it what happens with this list. That may be the biggest
> >point, because there has been no input from any "owner" on this list
> >for a while on any of these issues (although they are on record as
> >saying a newsgroup is a bad idea, mostly because many people don't
> >have access to newsgroups because of firewalls, proxies, and such).
> >
> >Also, no disrespect intended, but I'm not sure it's such a good idea
> >to try to come up with sweeping ideas to "improve" a mailing list
> >after having only been subscribed a few weeks. That's not very long
> >to get to know the ins and outs of a mailing list, how things ebb and
> >flow, what's been suggested/tried or not, etc.
> >
> >Anyway, of the recent ideas suggested, I think the one that has the
> >best combination of merit/feasibility is dividing up the list into
> >sub-lists. This would have to be done carefully, of course, to
> >actually improve the situation. I'd be willing to give this a go
> >(although it might be the kind of thing where it would be good to have
> >more than one person involved). The first step though, would be to
> >try to get in contact with the list owner and see if they would go for
> >it. I'll try doing that.
> >
> >Milt Epstein
> >Research Programmer
> >Software/Systems Development Group
> >Computing and Communications Services Office (CCSO)
> >University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign (UIUC)
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> >
> >
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