On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 5:06 PM, Peer Sommerlund
<[email protected]>wrote:
> On 09/01/2009, Douglas Philips <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> I'm a bit hesitant to talk about this here for being misinterpreted,
>> but I think the elephant in the room is bugging me even more than
>> that. :)
>>
>> The following was posted over on the mercurial list, but I think it
>> needs to be talked about here:
>> (my comments follow)
>>
>> On 2009 Jan 9, at 2:33 AM, Peter Arrenbrecht wrote:
>>
>> > On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 2:21 AM, Thomas Burdick <
>> [email protected]
>> > > wrote:
>> >> TortoiseHg could help win some of the people I work with over if it had
>> some
>> >> usability work done on it. I don't know if its the use of toolbox
>> buttons
>> >> instead of form buttons, gtk+ (it looks plain wrong in windows...), or
>> a
>> >> combination of both but no one I've talked to thought the UI was
>> intuitive.
>> >> #1 complaint/issue was workflow - typically you go down a form, and the
>> >> buttons to operate things are at the top. I don't think the other
>> tortoise's
>> >> do this #2 complaint/issue - why aren't the commands the same for the
>> >> tortoise menu as hg help. what is synchronize and why don't I get
>> things like
>> >> pull, push, update, revert, rollback etc as menu options instead of
>> this silly
>> >> business with toolbox buttons. I try telling these guys "pull" and
>> "push"
>> >> and they ask me, where is push/pull in the menu.
>> >
>> > Well, part of the Summer of Code project was to do such changes.
>> > Sadly, they weren't accepted into TortoiseHg. The student had got rid
>> > of the close buttons, redone some dialogs to better follow established
>> > style, etc. And there was a Debian package, too. Maybe I wasn't
>> > insistent enough to help him get it into THg. Problem is, I'm not a
>> > core THg developer myself, so coaching this project was a little
>> > difficult. But this work still exists! Maybe it can still serve as a
>> > basis:
>> >
>> > http://www.bitbucket.org/gpoo/soc/overview/
>> >
>> > -parren
>> >>
>>
>> I was very happy to see this project get started, and I am curious to
>> know where it stands with the TortoiseHG developers.
>> I am curious for two reasons:
>> a) Having this kind of work would have made TortoiseHG easier to
>> accept in my work group.
>> b) More importantly because it sends a message about how non-core-
>> developer efforts are treated.
>>
>> I understand that this is all volunteer, and I very much appreciate
>> the work that has gone into TortoiseHG so far.
>> It is hard to be optimistic about carving out time to work on THg when
>> it seems that such work would just languish...
>> and I very much would like to figure out how to contribute in a way
>> that is likely to be more successful than the GSoC work was at being
>> adopted...
>>
>
> You probably want to hear this from TK, but here is a quick summary as I
> saw it:
>
> The patch series you point to contains the following changes
> 1) remove quit buttons
> 2) transform a few minor dialogs to glade (about, backout, merge, update)
> 3) prepare some widgets for a stand alone application
> 4) add a stand alone application using glade for gui
> 5) make setup.py work outside Windows (e.g. Linux)
> 6) add submenus on Nautilus
>
> As I recall it the main objection was to use glade for modelling the GUI
> instead of doing everything in python.
> This effectively rejects changes 2 and 4 (major rework needed)
> The thread is here -
> http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_name=c50411aaaba377b34f3d.1219092640%40calcifer&forum_name=tortoisehg-develop
>
> Patches 1, 5, 6 could probably be tested individually right now if somebody
> fixed the minor issues and resubmitted them.
>
> For screenshots of 1, 2, 3, and 4, see
> http://www.selenic.com/mercurial/wiki/index.cgi/LinuxFileManagerIntegrationStatus
The last patch could easily be taken as-is. I could push it to my crew
mirror if it was agreed to take it.
I don't have the rest of the patches in front of me, but it seemed like the
only use of glade was in the new standalone app. I could be wrong about
that, though. The patches did remove the toolbar from a couple of dialogs
and simplified them (merge, for instance). I agreed with those changes.
--
Steve
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