Grumble. I thought it was giving me local time times. My bad. I think I can find a way to make this sort of time on a Wednesday. Sorry for making false assumptions about time zone conversion.
-- Michael Stemle From: Michiel de Jong <[email protected]> <[email protected]> Reply: [email protected] <[email protected]> <[email protected]> Date: August 13, 2017 at 16:26:31 To: [email protected] <[email protected]> <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [tosdr:4232] Can we talk about standardizing scores? Looking at the framadate, Chris, Jan, Jimm, Manchicken and myself signed up > for the call - how about doing it on Tuesday, inbetween Jan's and > Manchicken's preferred, time, so 8:30pm Amsterdam time? We can meet in the > #tosdr irc channel on freenode (use https://webchat.freenode.net/ if you > don't have an irc client installed), and try to set up a jitsi call from > there, as Chris suggested. If we can't get jitsi to work then we can fall > back to some proprietary alternative. > > > Cheers! > Michiel. > > On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 7:33 AM, Spataro <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Let me come back from holidays and I,m with you. I'm already working on a >> similar issue. Thanks to all. >> >> Dott. Spataro >> IusOnDemand.com >> Sviluppo software e formazione diritto del web >> >> Il giorno 09 ago 2017, alle ore 15:33, Michael Stemle < >> [email protected]> ha scritto: >> >> That is fantastic! I started thinking about some stuff last night, and >> this seems like it's already very detailed. I'll review it later when I >> have time to dig in. It'd be cool if we had something that could tie a >> score to a specific clause in a document, too. >> >> On Wednesday, August 9, 2017 at 4:53:47 AM UTC-4, Michiel de Jong wrote: >>> >>> Awesome! I'm really excited to see this post appear on the list at this >>> time. >>> >>> As you know we have this concept of a 'team' (see >>> https://tosdr.org/about.html#contact), who are basically the list of >>> people within our community (including myself) who have more or less >>> committed to sometiimes responding to interview requests from the press, >>> and to feeling extra guilty about the project's current backlog. :) >>> >>> We sometimes exchange emails off-list about our personal planning of who >>> might be able to do what, and one of those was a discussion about moving >>> our crippled editing app (https://edit.tosdr.org) from Meteor to Ruby >>> on Rails, in the hope it will be easier to find people who are willing to >>> maintain and develop it. We still have about 4600 euros left from the 2011 >>> crowdfunding (see https://github.com/tosdr/ >>> 1901/blob/master/finances/finance-2017-q1.md), and are currently >>> rewarding ourselves with 20 euros per hour in the case of paid ToS;DR work >>> (so we can still do 230 hours of paid ToS;DR work before we need to do a >>> new crowd-funding round). We've repeatedly posted and tweeted that we're >>> looking for a Meteor developer who is interested in working remotely on an >>> awesome, important, and world-famous project, but no luck yet - hopefully >>> it's easier to find this person if we switch to Ruby-on-Rails! :) >>> >>> Another discussion that's relevant is setting up monthly ToS;DR meeting, >>> and I'm now a bit embarrassed that this discussion was initiated and kept >>> in a small circle of personal email addresses, instead of sharing it with >>> everybody on this mailing list. >>> >>> Anybody, if you want to join our monthly meeting, please add your >>> name!:) https://framadate.org/8azN8C2rfyxdKueo Current leading >>> proposals are next week Tuesday or Thursday, EU evening / east-coast >>> afternoon / west-cost morning time. >>> >>> About the scoring system and the checklist, yes, both are things I've >>> been playing around with: >>> * scoring criteria (I call them 'cases'): https://github.com/t >>> osdr/tosdr-build/blob/master/scripts/cases.js >>> * assign scores to points based on these cases: https://github.com/tosd >>> r/tosdr-build/blob/master/scripts/checkcases.js >>> * assign a class based on point scores: https://github.com/tos >>> dr/tosdr-build/blob/master/scripts/checkclasses.js >>> >>> These are all one-off scripts that Ian and I have sometimes run on our >>> own laptops, but which you can't really ask random contributors to run, >>> because it's just too user-unfriendly, so the idea is that these processes >>> should all go into a hosted web app, which is what we hope someone, or >>> someones, will develop, but which has been embarrassingly stalled over the >>> past years, due to everybody having things like day jobs and other stuff to >>> do... >>> >>> >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Michiel. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 6:29 PM, Renee Lloyd <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> This is a great idea! I'm interested in working with you! >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> On Aug 8, 2017, at 11:27 AM, Michael Stemle <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> I know that this is my first message to the group, but I've been >>>> watching for a while and I would like to jump in and help. >>>> >>>> A key challenge that I see this group facing is that the backlog of >>>> sites to score is mammoth. There is no way that this group will ever be >>>> able to keep up with the changes and the scoring of TOS and Privacy >>>> Policies if it is something which takes a long time to do. The backlog is >>>> unsustainable, and because there's no way that the backlog can be chewed >>>> into, and so many popular sites are not yet scored, it will be difficult >>>> for the public—and the organizations themselves—to take scoring seriously. >>>> >>>> Google has a "C." Google doesn't care. DuckDuckGo has an "A," and they >>>> only care because they've made that a core part of their business. >>>> >>>> I would like to help construct a proposal for a standardized scoring >>>> system. This scoring system would focus not on independent clauses in the >>>> document, but rather questions like: "can site X track you outside of your >>>> own site? -20 points" or "does organization Y promise to disclose >>>> government requests for information? +20 points." Something simple, which >>>> when aggregated could output a score. >>>> >>>> I would like to find two or three other people to work with in this >>>> endeavor, the product of which would be a document outlining the process >>>> for measuring, scoring, and preparing this proposal for a vote by >>>> contributors. Since there's a lot to review, I think keeping the number of >>>> people down will help us come to something that we can open to the wider >>>> group more quickly. >>>> >>>> I would like this process to observe a December 1st deadline, so that >>>> we can all review the document and members (of which I am not one yet) can >>>> vote. During the process we would give a monthly update. >>>> >>>> After this process, it might be useful to have a program which takes a >>>> checklist of the criteria, runs it through a rules engine, and pops out a >>>> score. This would make it so that people reviewing sites weren't affecting >>>> the score directly, but instead were focusing first and foremost on the >>>> agreed-upon criteria. >>>> >>>> The goals of this process would be: >>>> >>>> - A clear, transparent, and easy-to-understand set of scoring >>>> criteria that the browser plugin could draw attention to >>>> - Because of the standardized approach, the organizations being >>>> scored would understand how to improve their score >>>> - We would now have the ability to score sites consistently, and >>>> more quickly >>>> - This process will foster a more trustworthy set of scores as it >>>> is repeatable based on criteria >>>> - No recommendations would be construed to have been agreed-upon by >>>> the group until a vote affirmed the proposal >>>> >>>> I do hope that the group thinks that this is a worthwhile proposal, and >>>> I'm happy to start working on this ASAP. If this is already an effort which >>>> is underway, I would like to contribute. 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