Mnyb;605395 Wrote: 
> That exist in objective reality and not solely in the listener own
> brain.

But isn't 'listener own brain' part of what you've labeled here
'objective reality'? If yes, how is it then that what exists in that
part of the objective reality is not part of that same objective
reality?

You see, these things have to remain coherent, they have to make
logical sense if you're to argue using such premises.

Mnyb;605395 Wrote: 
> I'm well aware of that no one can really experience reality as is, we
> live in our personal interpretation of reality, filtered trough our
> limited senses and psyche with add ons that never existed or happened
> and other things filtered away , ask anyone who had interviewed
> witnesses .
> 
> But to keep the placebo effect alive you must constanly "upgrade" and
> tinker otherwise it starts to wear off hmm sound familar...

This is a fairly accurate description of how humans perceive reality.
Yes, you're right, reality has the tendency to wear off, people get
fatigued by it, and need fresh experiences in order to kick start the
process again.

Eventually, tiredness takes the best out of even the most enthusiastic
people, and then they die.

Mnyb;605395 Wrote: 
> Therefore methods that nullifies the human factor is needed when you try
> to observe something that is smaller than the "noise" of our own thought
> processes.

Where in the heck did you get that approach from? 'Nullify the human
factor'? What could be gained by doing that? We're not robots, and it's
basically all precisely about the human factor. What other factor is
there, anyway?

People are trying to pretend that their own subjective yardsticks don't
matter, but it's just a product of the foolish attempts by those who
would love to control others to subvert their self esteem. Everyone
needs to eventually grow up and come to terms with the fact that it's
all about subjective states and how you intimately feel about
something. Nothing else matters. If you like something, you'll enjoy
it. If you don't like something, you'll try to avoid it. Simple as
that.

Anything else, and you're just fallen prey of the bullies who are
trying to manipulate and control you. Trust your own gut! Distrust
'authorities' and 'establishment'.


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