Hi Magiccarpetride... a couple of points if I may? You said:
magiccarpetride;605405 Wrote: > But isn't 'listener own brain' part of what you've labeled here > 'objective reality'?" "Listener own brain" surely is different for everyone...? We each hear differently and surely we cant tell someone else what they are hearing? magiccarpetride;605405 Wrote: > Where in the heck did you get that approach from? 'Nullify the human > factor'? What could be gained by doing that? We're not robots, and it's > basically all precisely about the human factor. What other factor is > there, anyway? > I agree somewhat here. We dont "hear" the same because of various human factors, expectation bias, placebo efffect yada yada. These effects (from the mind) CAN have physical effects on the body - including the ears! So subjective listening with all its filters and human factors absolutely shape how we "hear" music... But measurement has its uses too, as it bypasses these human factors surely? Both are useful, don't you think? magiccarpetride;605405 Wrote: > People are trying to pretend that their own subjective yardsticks don't > matter, but it's just a product of the foolish attempts by those who > would love to control others to subvert their self esteem. If someones "subjective yardstick" is different from another's...surely thats ok? To tell someone else they are "wrong" because their subjective view differs from yours could be taken, ironically enough, as the kind of control and manipulating behaviour that you mention and that NO-ONE likes... can you see what I mean? magiccarpetride;605405 Wrote: > "Anything else, and you're just fallen prey of the bullies who are > trying to manipulate and control you." Who are these bullies? Authorities..? I frequent a fair few Forums and I can assure you, THIS one is one of the most helpful ones out there. Theres no "cliques", no animosity to new members...none of that crap. Theres NO agenda here (c'mon..your being a bit silly with that ;)), just a bunch of folk with a shared hobby who are willing to take the time to help. Just like Soundcheck does. Its great that new folk are joining the Squeezebox party and its natural that new folk ask questions and raise points that others have discovered for themselves previously. If you hang around long enough you accrue some wisdom on the subject, some highly technical in nature. So its all good :) magiccarpetride;605405 Wrote: > Trust your gut! Distrust Authorities and Establishment! I prefer not to distrust anyone if I can help it, makes for a more pleasant life, but "Trust your gut"? ABSOLUTELY :) You have to maybe let others be allowed trust theirs too? ;) Its ok to agree to disagree and healthy debate is what forums are all about. But no-one likes being told what they are hearing is wrong and they are "foolish", controlling and manipulative...you know? Chill Bro.. Peace. -- Gazjam ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Gazjam's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=18604 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84742 _______________________________________________ Touch mailing list [email protected] http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
