I'm pretty active since years on Audio Asylum and DIY-Audio. Just a side note - the way I see certain things:
Audio Asylum is used by some manufactures as a marketing platform -- same over here, different people though. (perhaps those manufacturers havn't even realized that ;) ) Just by being present over here and supporting people with "honest" professional advise, will do marketing for them. As long as this complies to the forum rules there's nothing wrong about it. If it is Logitech staff or those iApp developers/company owners to name two parties with commercial interests I recognize over here doesn't matter. I do think that this forum is a Logitech company driven forum, not a private one -- right!?!? At least Logitech can do and claim whatever they want over here. So, at least some of you guys don't be so naive to think you'd be on save ground over here. You're not. Back to Audio Asylum and the measurements 1. For years I've been facing similar discussions as well as CICS who developed CPLAY/CMP on an XP platform. Especially the manufacturers ( with estimated accumulated 200 years of audio experience) were heavily opposing what was evident to those who were running those special PC installations. Manufacturer refrain: "We measured it with 20k+ equipment. It's nothing there. Nonsense." (Even if they would have experienced the audible changes, you bet they wouldn't have told us) How in the world was I supposed to get around such an argument at that time!?!? Impossible. Nowadays pretty much all of them are running Amarra and Pure Music on their MACs. The funny thing, those apps are doing nothing else then that what my mods or Cics stuff were doing at that earlier time. Nowadays certain mods are applied the Touch. The best thing of all: Ayre even developed their own OSX SW player! Go to RMAF or CES. Count how many DAC manufacturers are using those apps. Ask them why they need it? iTunes is supposed to be bit-transparent! To wrap it up. If NON of those manufacturers gets the PC induced problems solved or measured it's not a competitive disadvantage to run those apps. As soon as the first DAC supplier gets the problem solved the competition will have a serious problem to explain why they have to use Amarra or similar. 2. Some words about SPDIF. There have been endless discussions about SPDIF and its quality potential, implementation, cable length asf. Try to look it up. It doesn't matter where you look -- e.g. Lavry or Empirical Audio or whoever -- non of them can give a consistent answer what to do with the SPDIF associated problems. Try to figure out a simple question about what cable length to use. Those vary from couple of inches to a couple of meters. Lavry and/or Nugent for sure have measured it and both of them are highly regarded audio specialists. Both of them come up with an opposite recommendation. I could go on and on with examples of people fail to measure and to nail down those SPDIF associated problems. It's obviously not that easy. Wrap Up: Measurements are very valuable. No question about it. Measurements do show directions. Doing it right must be considered a (very costly) art on its own. Measurements do fail to give an explanation for everything out there, that's a fact. I highly recommend to read this 'this' (http://www.cardas.com/content.php?area=insights&content_id=11&pagestring=Do+Measurements+Matter) article about what highly regarded audio manufacturers think about measurements and the necessity of listening tests as the final confirmation. Enjoy. Cheers -- soundcheck 'soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0' (http://soundcheck-audio.blogspot.com/2011/01/soundchecks-squeezebox-touch-toolbox-20.html) || 'soundcheck's Touch Toolbox - Beta Blog' (http://soundcheck-audio.blogspot.com/2011/01/soundchecks-tt-beta-blog.html) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ soundcheck's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34383 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84742 _______________________________________________ Touch mailing list [email protected] http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
