On 1/15/16 4:27 AM, Karen Seo wrote:
There are a number of issues (for the non-log components) that WG
members have asked be addressed that the existing 6962-bis text doesn't
cover.

It's becoming extremely difficult to gauge consensus because
we're getting so few comments on these proposals, and I
think we're getting so few comments because it probably seems
to many participants that we (the working group) are being
pecked to death by ducks.  I'm particularly concerned that
we're being asked to do work that is technically correct but
unlikely to be actually helpful to implementers (who, it
should be pointed out, have implementations underway without
these documents).

I am generally skeptical of the value of non-specification
documents, particularly given that we're living in a time
where working group charter proposals are getting scrupulous,
detailed review.  My actual concern, however, is that this is
precisely the sort of thing that is slowing down the production
of implementable specifications and causing palpable harm to the
IETF and to individual working groups.

We have said on some number of occasions that our plan is to
get the -bis document through working group last call and backfill
any parts that are missing.  I'm not seeing a compelling reason
to revisit that decision.  Changes to the -bis draft should
be ones that address problems with the technical correctness
of the existing contents.  Asking the authors to restructure
the -bis draft so that you can produce some other document
does not fall within this framework.

Also, to be clear, we are not going to treat silence as support.
We need review and comments from working group participants.

Melinda

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