Hi Melinda,

On 15/01/16 19:57, Melinda Shore wrote:
> On 1/15/16 4:27 AM, Karen Seo wrote:
>> There are a number of issues (for the non-log components) that WG
>> members have asked be addressed that the existing 6962-bis text doesn't
>> cover.
> 
> It's becoming extremely difficult to gauge consensus because
> we're getting so few comments on these proposals, and I
> think we're getting so few comments because it probably seems
> to many participants that we (the working group) are being
> pecked to death by ducks.  I'm particularly concerned that
> we're being asked to do work that is technically correct but
> unlikely to be actually helpful to implementers (who, it
> should be pointed out, have implementations underway without
> these documents).
> 
> I am generally skeptical of the value of non-specification
> documents, particularly given that we're living in a time
> where working group charter proposals are getting scrupulous,
> detailed review.  My actual concern, however, is that this is
> precisely the sort of thing that is slowing down the production
> of implementable specifications and causing palpable harm to the
> IETF and to individual working groups.
> 
> We have said on some number of occasions that our plan is to
> get the -bis document through working group last call and backfill
> any parts that are missing.  I'm not seeing a compelling reason
> to revisit that decision.  Changes to the -bis draft should
> be ones that address problems with the technical correctness
> of the existing contents.  Asking the authors to restructure
> the -bis draft so that you can produce some other document
> does not fall within this framework.
> 
> Also, to be clear, we are not going to treat silence as support.
> We need review and comments from working group participants.

Speaking as AD for this wg, I completely agree with you and
with the plan to get the -bis document done soon.

S.


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> Melinda
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