My poor brain feels a bit like it did when I first learned about recursive programming, or accounting, or girls. Very unnatural, until you get the hang of it!! :-)
So, I want to use the Pre thusly: 1. My contacts, calendar, tasks, and notes live in Exchange. "He who has two calendars has none" is my mantra. Multiple contact lists I can sort of see, sort of. 2. Certainly I have multiple email addresses. Work (hosted Exchange), personal (ferguson.us - sometimes pointed to Google Apps; sometimes pointed directly to Exchange along with work email), Yahoo, Gmail, Windows Live, and some others. And yes, I have Facebook and Twitter, though how/where/if/when those fit in to the whole Pre thing is beyond even my wonderings at this point. So, to continue with the wonderings: 3. I want the Pre to sync Email, contacts, calendar, tasks and notes with Exchange. I don't know if it will do all 5. The BlackBerry (with BES) will. The PalmOS Centro/Treo will only do email, contacts and calendar. That would be OK with me, really, but it's nice to get tasks and notes too. I don't want those data elements to live anywhere OTHER than Exchange and the Pre (and, of course, any computers on which I set up Outlook as an Exchange client). 4. I want the Exchange-hosted data elements to be ON THE PRE, not in the cloud somewhere. So, when I'm at my place in the mountains where cell towers do not yet reach, I can look at the email, contacts, calendar, tasks and notes that were on the Pre before I left radio contact, do things with them, and then have all that get reconciled with Exchange when once again I'm electronically tethered to the world. 5. I want the Pre to use the Synergy thingy to pull in Yahoo, Gmail, Live, Facebook, Twitter, whatever other, less important data elements. That would be cool. If those somehow don't really exist on the Pre except to look at while online, I'm OK with that. So, to digress a moment: does the Pre show me things without actually bringing them down to the Pre's storage, such that if I'm not online (as when I'm in the mountains) I can't see them? Continuing on: 6. I want some way to back up the "other stuff" that's created and/or modified on the Pre - SMS/MMS threads, pictures, video (eventually), voice recordings, HandyShopper databases, any other databases, other applications, data from other applications. My preference would be a verifiable encrypted space in a cloud somewhere. My second choice would be my computer. This is pretty much how I use the BB. BES puts all the important data on the BB. If I want to back up SMS and other settings and databases, I have to sync with a cable (since hosted Exchange's BES doesn't back this stuff up). So, Oh Great Craig, Source of All Pre-Pre knowledge, whadya think?? Holy crap, I have to go read the user manual now! Never saw anyone (other than me) use Scribd before! Cool! Cheers, Don From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Craig Froehle Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2009 9:18 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Treo] Palm Pre - Will it have option to mark contacts as "private" Just verified that you can turn daily backup OFF entirely (page 178 of the user manual). http://www.scribd.com/doc/15851822/SG-Pre-UserGuide And more (page 20): "Palm offers the Data Transfer Assistant to do this one-time data transfer. Use of the Data Transfer Assistant is a three-step process: 1. Download the Data Transfer Assistant from palm.com/support to your computer. 2. Connect your phone and your computer using the USB cable, and open and run the Data Transfer Assistant on your computer. 3. On your phone, select where you want your transferred data to be imported: *** To an online account: You can assign the transferred data to be imported to one of your online accounts, such as Google or Microsoft Exchange ActiveSync. *** To your phone: Transferred data that is imported to your phone is backed up to your Palm profile, so you have a copy of it. But you can change this data in one place only: your phone. The data is not accessible from any online account." So, if you choose not to use an online service and sync your data to your phone only, and then disable daily backup, the only copy of your data will exist on the phone itself. On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 9:16 AM, Don Ferguson <[email protected] <mailto:don%40ferguson.us> > wrote: > Craig, > > > > You seem to know the most about this. Is it definitively true that the Pre > is going to back up information over the air to Palm's servers whether the > user wants it or not? And/or that, if the user can stop that in full or in > part, the user will have no alternative way to backup/sync anywhere else? > That might well be a showstopper for me, and I can only imagine the > difficulties in the legal, medical, human resources and educational > communities with a device that backs up to an uncertified, unknown quantity > such as a manufacturer's server. I'm sure Palm runs wonderful servers, but > that's not the point. Imagine if Windows required that it all such > information be backed up to Microsoft servers, or MacOS to Apple's. There > would be a revolt! I myself went through hours of cleanup of my address > book before allowing my Treo, then Centro then Blackberry to sync address > book and calendar information with my hosted Exchange service. > > > > Primary data elements of concern here would be calendar, contacts, tasks and > notes - and perhaps SMS/MMS messages. OH, and pictures, voice recordings, > shopping lists, and maybe more I haven't thought of. The quasi-public > nature of email is already a given, but not those others. > > > > Can you further enlighten us? I will be hesitant to activate the thing when > I buy it in 6 DAYS unless I understand this better! > > > > Cheers, > > Don > > > > From: [email protected] <mailto:treo%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:[email protected] <mailto:treo%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of > ladycat_32244 > Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2009 6:21 AM > To: [email protected] <mailto:treo%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [Treo] Palm Pre - Will it have option to mark contacts as "private" > > I would feel much more comfortable having ability to only back up those > private contacts to my own personal computer and not be on anyone's servers. > There is just so much identity theft out there now. Do you think there will > be any third-party applications that will address this problem? Frankly, I > have more problems with the info being on Google servers than with Palm, but > would rather info not be on either one. Then I have a problem because if > something happens to the Pre device and I am unable to retrieve that info, > I'm screwed. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > -- CRA1G on Twitter [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
